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Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:13 am

I'm about ready to purchase a new lens from Canon. Specifically, the EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS. Is anyone in this forum using this lens? If so, what do you think about it? I'm a little bit concerned about the push-pull zoom (the Canon lens I use now is rotate the barrel for zoom) and the weigth of this lens. Is there a learning curve with this lens or would I get used to it quickly?

Also, I noticed the lens is about $100 USD cheaper if I buy an "imported" lens rather than a "USA" one. What's the difference? I'm guessing one has a warranty and the other one doesn't.

Mark Abbott
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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:36 am

Hey Mark,

Many people use this lens including me. I think it's great!
You have to get used to the push-pull system yes, but once you master it, it works fine. I can get very nice fullframe shots with the system. Extended at 400mm the "tube" becomes a bit long though and using manual focus is very difficult I found (never use it anyway)

Weight is not a problem for me, although I found that it's much nicer to use with my dad's 1V than my EOS33. On the cheaper cameramodels you have to support the lens to take some of the strain away from the lensmount. On the heavier cameras you can just let it dangle from your neck. without problem.

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:39 am

I have recently purchased the same lens and my concern was with the push pull but after using it a few times it becomes so natural, the lens is very nice, very heavy at first but once you get used to the weight its fine. basically its an all in one product and im not dissapointed, mine was bought in england witha price tag of £1299.00 which is about $2000.00 U.S.
its not worth the $100.00 reduction, if you get a warranty for $100.00 its worth it!

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 6:17 am

I would be cusrious as well. I'm about to purchase one myself, although I haven't bought it just yet.
I'm not really worried about the push/pull zoom. I've had a 50-200 push/pull zoom for 15 years, so I think I can handle it. Most people seem get used to it quite quickly.
Some are a bit concerned about dust. However a normal zoom lens with this level of deep zoom would probably have this problem as well. What I read on some other forums, there not too many people ACTUALLY reporting serious dust problems with the 100-400. And those who did have it, also had it with normal zooms in heavy dust like environments.

The weight issue was also a consideration for me. However, if you really want power-zoom or a prime 400mm tele, you'll just have to cope with it.

I'm still considering the 70-200L IS f2.8. However it is considerably more expensive, and combined with a 2x TC [140-400] it would also end up as f5.6 glass, just like the 100-400, but it would be even more heavier.

These are my options at the moment:
Lens
f
weight [gram]
*combined with TC [Tele Converter]
price in Euro


100-400L IS
4.5-5.6
1360 gr
€1995


70-200L IS
2.8 all the way
1570 gr [non IS version 1310 gr]
€2450

*140-400 above with 2x TC
5.6 all the way
1835 gr [non IS version 1575 gr]
€2914


70-200L [no IS!]
4
710 gr
€899

98-280 above with 1.4 TC [won't handle 2x TC, maybe taped it will??]
5.6
930 gr
€1361


300L IS
4
1190 gr
€1799

420 above with 1.4 TC [won't handle 2x TC, maybe taped it will??]
5.6
1310 gr
€2261


400L
5.6
1250 gr
€2180


If weight is all important, the 70-200L f4 would be a good choice, even with 1.4 TC.
I personally would use it a lot to shoot radio-controlled model airplanes, so most of the time I'll be using at the higher end of the zoom range [300-400]. Therefore I tend to go with the 100-400. I seriously considered starting with the 70-200f4, which is a nice lightweigth lens, but since I'll use a TC with it, I would like to have IS.

Still considering my options.....

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PW100


PS. Here are some previous threads that may help you:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/92620
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/91285

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Hey Mark Abbott

Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:44 pm

e-mail me, please...............

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 2:00 pm

I have had the 100-400 for a couple of years now, and it's always done a good job for me. Check out my pictures over the past couple of months - I've been mentioning in the remarks which pictures are with that lens at which settings.

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?nr_of_rows=72&maxres=1000&keywords=100-400mm%20f%2F4.5-5.6%20Charles%20Falk&keywrange=all&first_this_page=0&page_limit=60

I do not particularly like the push-pull mechanism, and it is certainly to zoom in and out smoothly on moving targets, compared to a twist zoom, but it is manageable.

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 3:23 pm

I agree with Charles, I don't like the push/pull thing. I have been using it a year now, and I still find I sometimes zoom in a little too much, or zoom out a little too much at the critical moment. I used to use a Sigma 170-500mm, and although the Canon lens is of superior quality, I do miss the ability of having 500mm at my disposal, although in general I find this lens more versatile having the 100mm.

Having said all that, it is still an excellent lens, and let's face, it there's isn't THAT much choice out there when it comes to lenses like this.
 
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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 6:25 pm

I did have one, and it if you can only have one lens for airport work, I'd say this is the one to have - very good quality, very versatile (perfect zoom range for, say, airshows) and an effective IS puts it in a class where the Nikon 80-400 VR is the only other option.

But, it is heavy, and a little clumsy to use. I sold mine, but only because a 2nd body gave me the versatility I was after ... prior to that the 100-400 was my standard lens.

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 6:36 pm

I have had one for three years now and love it. Works well on the 1V all day every day. I also use it on my D60 and my EOS5.
 
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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:12 am

@Charles

Great pics you have there! I really do like the big zoom shots @400mm!
Just one question though. I noticed that most of your shots have pretty heavy shutter speeds [1/800-1/1250], while keeping the 100-400 fully closed @ 5.6. Wouldn't the IS allow you to go down to 1/500 or even lower speed @400mm? I've read that the 100-400 is best when the 5.6 [and preferably 6.7] is avoided, at least at deep zoom. What are your thoughts?

BTW How do you guys like the IS on this lens? Is the panning mode useful for approach and departure traffic?

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Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:47 am

I have the 100-400L-IS and I love it - wouldn't be without it now. Very heavy, but you get used to it. Different because of the push-pull, but you get used to it (many years ago I had a push-pull, changed to a rotate to zoom, and am now back where I started)! Excellent results, but I would strongly recommend running it at F8.0 if you can, rather than wide open where I find it a bit soft. I often shoot in aperture priority at F8.0 now, let the camera sort out the shutter speed, and let the stabiliser sort out any low shutter speeds - works a treat!

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Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:33 am

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:41 am

PW100,

As I frequently use the lens at full extention (400mm), and with the 10D's multiplier of 1.6 (giving an effective 640mm or so), and if the target is moving fast (like takeoff), I think getting as much speed as you can is a good idea, IS or no. So I'll put it in Av priority mode and push open the aperture. But you are right - you do get a little softness.

Andy, what's your rejection rate like when you close down to f/8? Do you get a lot of blurred shots, or does the IS manage to keep up pretty well? Do you generally use IS Mode 1 or 2 (I generally use 2)? I suppose I should experiment some more - I've only had the 10D for a little while, and such experimentaion with film cameras is rather expensive - I'm so used to that fact that maybe I'm over-conservative.

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Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:52 am

Charles,

As I said, I almost always use the 100-400 at F8.0 - only when the light goes very low do I drop down to F6.7 or as a last resort to F5.6. I find the IS fairly reliably sorts things out down to about 1/125@F8.0 at 400mm - below 1/125 at 400mm I tend to start opening the lens up. That's not to say I've never hand held it slower, its just that I find the risk of shakes is more likely below 1/125 at 400mm, even with the IS.

Coincidentally, they say that a rule of thumb is you can hand hold at 1/focal-length, so say 1/500 at 400mm. They also say that the IS saves two stops - two stops down from 1/500 is 1/125 which is about as slow as I'd go and feel comfortable with hand held at 400mm.

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Wed Jul 16, 2003 1:02 am

Andy,

That rule of thumb is supposed to apply to stationary objects. How about a plane at 180 knots moving at you at a tangient?

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 1:03 am

I'm using it for eight months, and it has brought me so much pleasure since.

I'm not too crazy about the push-pull, but can work with it, it works smoother now that in the beginning.

What I still need to do is exchange the hood - it's radiating very fine dust particles which could creep into the lens. But with my B&H guarantee, I'm afraid I will just have to buy a new one here.

Tim, are you sure you can let it "dangle" with heavier cameras? I've been reluctant so far, but maybe the 10D doesn't belong in the heavy category anyways.

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Wed Jul 16, 2003 1:04 am

Charles,

Still fairly comfortable down to 1/125. But, I'll look at some of the EXIF data on some low-light shots when I get home tonight and give you a more informed judgement.

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:19 am

are you sure you can let it "dangle" with heavier cameras
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With the 1V I found it to be no problem although I lock the zoom at 100mm. T
On my EOS33 I always hold the lens when I'm not using it, the 10D is based on the eos30 right?, so I guess it's better to hold the lens with it as well.

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:18 pm

I guess as a precautionary measure I'll continue to hold it - saves me a day in the gym too!

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 1:46 am

Well since my own arrived just today, I cannot comment on my own 100-400, but in general, the ones I tried are superb, mainly for the reasons given above.

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Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:04 am

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:19 am

Thanks everyone for your comments! They have made me feel much better about plunking down this much money... I've scored a business trip to LAX at the end of this month, so I want to have this new lens by then. Now all I need to decide is if I am going to purchase it new (about $1400USD w/warranty) or pick one up off E-Bay (about $1000-$1200USD w/o warranty). I think saving $400 by buying it used is probably the best. I'll probably never need the warranty. Plus, I'd like to have the extra cash to buy a new camera case. The case I currently use won't accomodate a lens this size.

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:33 pm

Now that was mean Vasco...
Well I don't have to, thanks to my L lens!

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Sat Jul 19, 2003 6:38 pm

I noticed some [marginal] play between my 10D body and the 100-400, mainly from the camera lens mount. I'm not sure if I should be worried about it. Is this normal?
It definately convinced me [after reading some posts here] that it is not a good idea to have the combination dangled around my neck.

Is there something out there that allows me to somehow connect the neckstrap onto the tripod mount? If not, maybe I'll make something myself.

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Sat Jul 19, 2003 6:50 pm

Harm, the play is normal don't worry about it. Every camera I tried my lens on had it.

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RE: Anyone Using The Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L Is?

Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:13 pm

Well, I've been trying to pick one up on Ebay the past few days for around $1000USD and I've gotten outbid until tonight. I finally won an auction for this lens for $1100USD. The party I'm buying it from lives locally, so I shouldn't waste anytime before trying it out.  Smile

Now I just gotta get a new camera bag...

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