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Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 1:36 pm

I feel I am qualified to make this statement. I shoot digital. My pictures have been in magazines and large newspapers, and I enjoy shooting with my D100, but let me tell you this, the hardest thing to do is take a perfect slide picture.

Digital is easy. It is cheap, you get the chance to see your work right now and can make any necessary adjustments/compensation to your cameras settings. You also have the chance to adjust (aka fix) your shots on a computer.

Slides are hard. It is expensive and you have to be perfect. It is a much harder, more technical discipline. Try busting off 8 full-frame, level, side-on shots in 2 seconds. Believe me, it isn't easy. I've spent the past 2 weeks playing with shooting slides. I'm not even close to being able to offer the quality that the well known slide shooters are able to crank out day after day.

One more thing. Next time you hear someone say they are tired of "boring side shots," tell them to STFU, they don't have any idea what they are talking about.
 
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Fri Aug 15, 2003 1:40 pm

Couldn't agree more! Very touching and well said. Some digital shooter need to pay respect in their mind to analog shooter. It is a difficult process sometimes.
I got carry away to shoot digital only because of the convenience and readiness. However the real joy back home is looking my slides back from developing. Nothing beat the feeling seeing a full frame action shot! Right Tim?

If you shoot slides, you can also make some money, I made 850 in Columbus.
Sam

PS. Sorry my only bad habit on slides is I shot Fuji. (and D100 to Canon guys)  Laugh out loud

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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:10 pm

Glad to hear your going "old school" for a bit Royal, it just seems backwards these days. I have been shooting "analog" for close to 20 years, three quarters of that with manual focus. I can see both sides of the hobby and agree with the satisfaction of getting your film back and seeing "dead on balls accurate" shots. But, having said that, I now enjoy the opposite. Plugging in the compact flash card and and double clicking! Looking forward to seeing some film from you.

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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:10 pm

Exactly Royal! I have had the hardest time in the world trying to wake up every Saturday and Sunday morning when the light is good to get shots of the local Great Lakes EMB-120 static on the ramp. I've wasted rolls not getting good results! The blue on the bottom half of the fuselage always looks very dark while everything else is perfect. I've tried shots every week in many light conditions (when the sun just pops up to when its more white light and inbetween). Its extremely hard to photograph the real colors of Lakes Air. The only time I ever got the colors perfect was the follow photo:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/298224/L/

Unfortunately it used the wrong runway (hence the rear angle) and it wasn't shot on a slide. This fall/winter I will definitely try this again  Smile

I truly treasure the rare occasion when I get a perfect side on shot. For example I shot a whole roll of an AN-124 in great light and only a couple slides came back with perfect centering in the mount (not my fault but still shows how much of a pain it can be). I guess I can remount them in those cheasy plastic mounts instead but its a pain to do it for the whole roll and to try and remove the glue from the film.

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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:12 pm

Well I forgot to congratulate Royal being the 1st person I've known from digital trying to shoot analog. Most shooter go the other way, from analog to digital. Well done. I am with you here.

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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:15 pm

Royal........
STFU??????? Can you explain........is that a technical term?????:D
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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:21 pm

I'm actually starting to think its impossible to get a perfect shot of the white top Great Lakes aircraft. As you can see it is definitely attainable with the more greyish scheme they have from when they were a UX carrier:


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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:57 pm

As in "Come on in and have a frosty mug of STFU"
 
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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 3:03 pm

It's all about doing what you're comfortable with... I love my shots to be snug and very tight (just like a lot of other things in life) - and am very happy when time after time I get results like this :

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Sorry Royal... Thommy Boy isn't exactly your best friend  Big grin

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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 3:53 pm

Royal,
I have a bad feeling this means I can forget the slide I requested?

Anyway it's certainly true you have to take much more care when shooting slides.
What equip are you using for this?
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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:16 pm

I also can agree with you!

Shooting analog is really not easy - I've started aircraft photography 2 years ago and shot so much rolls of expensive films wich are just sh*t - but it really was worth... I'm still shotting slides and now it works fine most times. You really need a lot of practise.... So, congrats to all Slide-shooters  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Altough I have to add that I'm looking forward to buy a Nikon D100  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:29 pm

furthermore, they can still produce better results than digital :
Slide (scanned with a Nikon Coolscan I-don't-remember-what)

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It all depends on the slide scanner...after reading the responses to one of my other threads and comparing equipment/prices, I'm sticking to my EOS30/EOS300V and Fuji Provia/Sensia; I'll just buy a Canoscan FS4000 instead of a DSLR and scan my backlog of 5000+ slides (luckily I can do that during work hours  Big thumbs up)
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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 8:04 pm

Nothing beat the feeling seeing a full frame action shot! Right Tim?
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Right Sam Big grin

Glad you are now also into slides Royal, are you shooting the good stuff?

Tim
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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 9:05 pm

Only reason I don't shoot slides is that I can't afford a good slide scanner. I shoot prints. It doesn't seem like many around here does that...  Sad
And getting a good DSLR is totally out of question, unfortunately.
 
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Fri Aug 15, 2003 9:14 pm

While browsing Canon's website http://www.canon.ie I saw that they have a 4800*2400 print scanner...maybe you should check that one out  Smile

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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 9:45 pm

After Royal's thread. I went to scan some slides from my last trip. I did shot 22 rolls of Fuji and 13 rolls of K64 except only got Fuji here to scan, some K64 still seem to be grainy at times, I haven't got all of them back.

I found my S20 did a good job, for clearity and low grain and sharpness. I scan at 1500dpi only save max jpeg no compression.

Long live FULL FRAME slides!


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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 11:02 pm

Hey, we never said we didn't have it easy.

I'm sure most of us started on slides and moved on to digital anyway, I know I did  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 11:05 pm

707cmf started out on a digital...when he saw my SLR, he said "what the f... is that big black thing ?" Big grin
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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 11:13 pm

Great shots Sam, SDU is actionshooter paradise Smile

Would love to see some of those K64 you took also Big grin

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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 11:15 pm

hey hey.
No, I already knew what a SLR was (even though I did not know what in English SLR meant).

As for Royal saying we digital photog. have it easy, well, it is indeed true for ramp/still shots. We shoot 5 or 6 pics of each (enough memory on the flash card).

However, when it comes to action shots, well, you SLR guys have the advantage (okay, I'm not speaking of DSLR which is the best of both worlds as everybody knows).
I was last month at LHR with A.net pals, and we went to that spot (Hatton Cross ?) to shoot aircraft on short finals. I can assure you, in that case, there is no tolerance for error. We have to get it right on the first time. My digicam, although quite good, is a pain in the *** when it comes to short response. The zoom is awfully slow, let alone the autofocus. And with just 2 mpixels, I have to shoot it full frame on the first (and only shot).

cheers,

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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Fri Aug 15, 2003 11:17 pm

Btw, Sam, new runway at AMS is also not bad Smile

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/IMG00646tcapn.jpg

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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Sat Aug 16, 2003 3:08 am

How close to the runway can you get?? (btw. Fix that red tint!!!)
 
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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Sat Aug 16, 2003 4:12 am

this 738 is about 150mm I think, 747 is 90mm.

Sorry if my colors are sometimes off, I stink at doing PS work on colors/contrast/brightness, etc Sad

Guess you all have to come to my house and see the slides projected on the screen Big grin

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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Sat Aug 16, 2003 10:01 am

Thanks Tim, I will come over to AMS to kick your ass one day  Big grin
I can tell you that since I start to shoot digital, which you don't need to go full frame as slides do, my slides skill have been deterioriate considerably. Although a few easy spot like SDU and CUZ I been this trip, my slide only come close to 85% full frame, it used to be 90-95% tip to tip. But I am working on slides more since most of my fuji slides from Australia are gone in CMH convention. I will come to FRA this Nov for the slide show.

I will scan a few more tonight, is your Pegasus K64, looks very smooth in grain, well scan!

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Sat Aug 16, 2003 12:11 pm


Royal.....

AMEN to Cheap...................................

If it weren't so cheap I wouldn't have nearly 70 images here on the database. Digital cameras renewed my interest into my nearly 25 years of photography experience.

I figure if I had to pay for CHROME for what I have shot digital I would have well over $3000.00 just in film and processing.

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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Sat Aug 16, 2003 1:41 pm

There is good point in Randall's reply.

I just think that Digital saved many people especailly some bad pathetic shooter money $$$. Imagine the thousands of dollars they have to waste if there's no digital. At the same time, the people know how to shoot it right will continue with their choice.

Sam
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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Sat Aug 16, 2003 2:23 pm

I just can agree with Sam.

I'm going digital because I really have to shoot less slides because of money.
I just can't always bring up 10 Euros for 3 rolls of films, 16 Euros for developing 1 roll!

If we'd have winter charter time I'm nearly out at the airport every day. No chance to bring up that money... let's hope digital will be here until November...  Insane
 
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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Sat Aug 16, 2003 3:21 pm

don't get me wrong, I love, and will continue to shoot with, digital.

However, It just isn't as an exact of an art as film is.

Digital photography is sorta like NASCAR, but shooting top-notch slides is like Formula One.
 
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Sat Aug 16, 2003 4:55 pm

Yes the Pegasus is K64, I use smartblur on the sky, nice technique Smile

Will be in FRA also, see you there

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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:14 am

Well said Royal, and exactly what I told you months ago in our conversations about this- shooting slides especially on a busy ramp and of a taxiing airplane is exteremly difficult, thats why 90% many people cant do it right (right being- full frame, well centered, well exposed and just absolute perfection in every regard). Thats why I tell slide shooters I talk to from all over the world, if you find another guy at a foreign airport who can consistently get perfect results, you keep him close to you and take good care of him because guys like that are extremely extremely hard to find.

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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Tue Aug 19, 2003 4:29 am

"...16 Euros for developing 1 roll!"

Never knew Austria is that expensive, or are you shooting Kodak?
I pay 4 EURO a roll for either Sensia or Velvia developement (and Kodak Elite Chrome EC, btw).
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RE: Digital Shooters Have It Easy...

Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:12 pm

The cheapest developing process is for about Euro 8, but then the slides are really sh*t - they're made very cheaply and have very low quality...

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