janne
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Old LAX Pictures

Sat Sep 06, 2003 8:20 am

Here are two postcards that my father bought when we where in Los Angeles
in 1956.
http://hem.fyristorg.com/aircraftpics/images/lax_1.jpg
http://hem.fyristorg.com/aircraftpics/images/lax_2.jpg
Both photos Copyright Bill Eccles, L. A. Airport Photography,
photo id:s P5531 and P10321. The text on both postcards is
"Los Angeles International Airport. Destined to be the largest and most
modern air terminal in the world".
Wonderful collection of aircraft. As far as I can see on the first photo
there is United DC-6, TWA Connie, AA Metropolitan and DC-6 and on the
second photo PAA DC-6, Stratocruiser and AA DC-6.
Can anyone identify the other aircraft?
Does anyone have other old aircraft postcards to share?
/jl
 
RayPettit
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RE: Old LAX Pictures

Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:04 am

Janne, Nice postacrd views here:
I'm not sure but I think the Convair Liner in the first photo is of Western Airlines. They certainly had that red cheatline but without the red in the windows area. I'm only not 100% sure because of the fin, but it may be a livery variation or just nor clear to my eyes. Western had a big presence at LAX.

Ray
England (so not an expert...)
 
avroarrow
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RE: Old LAX Pictures

Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:18 am

Old photos like this give me the warm and fuzzies, no idea why. Thanks for sharing them.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Give me a mile of road and I can take you a mile. Give me a mile of runway and I can show you the world.
 
timz
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RE: Old LAX Pictures

Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:50 am

In the second picture that looks like a Delta DC-6 taxiing left to right beyond the Western DC-6B. Delta did have interchange service with AA into LAX, but not sure it was supposed to be there at that hour of the afternoon. And at the very bottom that looks like one of Continental's DC-7Bs, which weren't in service in 1956.
 
janne
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RE: Old LAX Pictures

Fri Sep 12, 2003 2:25 am

Timz, I looked up the Continental paint scheme at that time and it seems
you are right about the bottom airplane. Thankyou.
But why do you think it looks like a DC-7B? Don't you think it is a DC-6B?
Cheers, Janne.
 
timz
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RE Continental

Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:07 am

I forgot to mention Continental didn't fly to LAX at all until April 1957, when they started DC-7B service. I'll check on when the DC-6B interchange started, but I think it was after that. But you're right, it could be a DC-6B-- just not in 1956. I think.

As for Delta: the 12/56 OAG shows a DC-7 arriving at 1605; the DC-6s arrive later. But the DC-6/DC-7 departure times don't jibe with the arrival times-- if the timetable is right at least one aircraft would have to sit around LAX for 20+ hours.

[Edited 2003-09-11 23:11:34]
 
timz
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RE: Old LAX Pictures

Sat Sep 13, 2003 6:49 am

I should have known better-- none of those interchange flights started that late. I just didn't look at the schedule carefully enough. Yes, it probably is a Continental DC-6B.

Delta's DC-6 arrived at around 1805 until it was replaced (in late 1954-early 1955?) by a DC-7 which arrived a couple hours earlier. Looking at those shadows I'd say it can't be that late in the day, so that's a mystery. We agree that's too short to be a Delta DC-7?
 
timz
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RE: Old LAX Pictures

Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:14 am

That AA CV240 in the first pic suggests the picture was taken before mid-1954. The Western DC-6B means it was taken 1953 or later.
 
janne
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RE: Old LAX Pictures

Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:38 am

Timz, thankyou for taking your time going through old timetables and
clearing out a lot of stuff, you even identified at what time of day
the photos where taken by the shadows. Very interesting. I have been away
for a few days at the Hamburg Airport Classics airshow. Wonderful show,
went there myself on an oldtimer, the swedish "Daisy", a DC-3 from 1943.
I am very sad though that the promised DC-4 didn't show up and I even
heard that both a Connie and a DC-6 should have been on the show but
the sponsor money ran out. Too bad, I think it is very hard right now to
get sponsor money to keep old beautis flying.
/jl
 
janne
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RE: Old LAX Pictures

Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:54 am

And of course, Timz. The photos where bought 1956 but probably where
taken one or two years earlier. You seem to know a lot about the traffic
at LAX in those days. Do you still keep old time tables?
It would be very interesting if you could specify in what years the different
airlines flew with what aircraft. Myself I am brought up at Stockholm - Bromma
in the "golden" fifties when Bromma was still the Stockholm international airport.
I remember Pan Am DC-7C, British European Airways Viscount and Comet-4,
KLM Electra, Lufthansa Super-Connie, Sabena DC-7C etc, etc.
"those where the days my friend, I thought they'd never end..."
/jl
 
timz
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RE: Old Timetables

Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:24 am

Yeah, I've gotton a number of old OAGs on eBay. Highly recommended.
 
milesrich
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RE: Old LAX Pictures

Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:28 pm

Continental had two DC-6B's that they used on interchange flights with United between Tulsa, Wichita, and Lubbock, and Seattle via Denver. Often United would use these aircraft on non interchange flights, and rotate them through the system. I flew on one of them in 1963 between MLI and ORD.

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