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Concorde Ops Screwed Up?

Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:25 am

Was at JFK 3 days in a row seeing her to takeoff. Here's some of my experience

Today wind at 040, 15 knots gusty up 18 knots, Concorde assigned 22R takeoff! About rolling 1500-2000ft down the Rwy, it aborted takeoff, went back to taxiway to hold, later after 20 mins, it made its move to 13R into position on hold for 40 mins. All traffic were using 4s for landing and takeoff as the wind is fairly strong from the East. She finally airborne at 1006local time, 1 hr and 6 min late, she sat about 55 mins holding around, not to takeoff, I don't know how is the fuel loading doing because of that. I just checked on BA.com see the arrival time of BA002, it showed the flight went to Cardiff today??? Confirm??

Also recently experienced by A.NET photog Jean, Concorde leaving JFK couldn't be more weird,

12/9 Using 4L takeoff (strong wind)
13/9 4L
14/9 22R , aborted, 3 hours later at 1200, tookoff 13R
15/9 31L this is okay
16/9 22R wind 040 10 knots
17/9 22R, aborted, 1 hour later at 1006, tookoff 13R

Anyone following this movements?

Photo from Bayswater Park was very nice, as Concorde do a sharp turn after A/B from Rwy 13R, I felt at one stage I can touch her! Photos to follow next week

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RE: Concorde Ops Screwed Up?

Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:45 am

Got some response from a JFK former Ops guy

Those were definitely some weird SSC ops. Usually in strong east wind
they'll depart on 13R, but perhaps it was closed and they phenagled 4L
instead of taking 13L with a probable load restriction. In my 13 years at
JFK, I saw SSC depart 13L once, 31R twice, and 4L four times ... two of the
4L's were non-afterburner ferry departures to domestic USA destinations (yes
Joe, we know, you did it, go fix your website), and the other two were in
snow when only the 4's were open and 22R would have been way too tailwind
for the contaminated runway surface.

During the 80's and early 90's, the belief of ATC, BA, AF, and Port Ops was
that 4L could not be approved for SSC full afterburner takeoff, period, and
I saw some flights cancel during snowstorms for that reason. Then around
1995, BA pushed hard and we got back into the original policy decisions and
court-reviews of 1977, and it was re-discovered that 4L/4R are allowed "if
no other runway is operationally feasible" and airport duty manager approves
on case-by-case. So now it is possible for 4L to be used even with
afterburner in certain circumstances.
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RE: Concorde Ops Screwed Up?

Fri Sep 19, 2003 1:20 am

Apparently the Concorde in question diverted to Cardiff due to a surge in one of the Olympus Engines. The BBC reported it.

Not only did the plane not land at LHR, but they put the passengers on a bus from Cardiff to London!!!!  Nuts  Nuts  Nuts


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RE: Concorde Ops Screwed Up?

Fri Sep 19, 2003 1:50 am

I read the reports from the BBC site. It must have been scary for those on board, given Concorde's recent bad publicity. It is funny to read of the people complaining that the service was delayed - safety is still a priority, no matter how much you have paid for your ticket. The expensive tickets did not help the poor souls on the ill-fated Air France flight.

I wonder if the JFK-LHR flight should have taken off at all, given that there was one aborted takeoff, some quick ground checks and a subsequent engine problem mid flight.

Notice how ANY problem with Concorde is big news? After all, it is an ageing design on the verge of retirement. How often do DC-10s go tech???

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RE: Concorde Ops Screwed Up?

Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:04 am

Just to let you know Concorde ops news is BIG deal to me, this plane is very special! G-BOAG is the one tookoff after 1st attempt unsuccessful at JFK on 22R when wind at 040!!! I would also imagine pretty nerve stuff when the plane sat on the taxiway position hold for 40mins! It did crack me up and make me nervous, at one second I thought if the Concorde is going to takeoff and crash, it will be on top of me. God Bless that plane.


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