707CMF
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Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 7:58 pm

Okay, here is an email exchange I've just had about a photo usage request. Once again, an airline loaded with $$$ (they've paid a SLR and even a DSLR to a fellow spotter simply with photo fees - more than 1000 euro) asked me the permission to use a picture of mine... just read the messages (earlier one at the bottom)

I'd like to reply him that for photos are free only for a private use, which is not the case . Someone has a suggestion ?

Thx,

707


Hi there Antoine,
As this is just a letter for the staff at XXX (approx 100 people max) we
are not willing to pay for usage. Therefore I will not use your photo in any
news letters.

Thank you.

Captain XXX
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Using your photo in the XXX internal company newsletter


> Hello again
>
> For the usage you seek, my prices are the following (per magazine issue) :
>
> Interior page (less than 2500 copies of the magazine issue) : 100
> euro (or 65£)
> Interior page (more than 2500 copies, less than 10,000) : 125 euro (82£)
>
> Cover page (<2500 copies) : 150 euro (98£)
> Cover page (>2500, <10,000) : 200 euro (130£)
>
> This pricing is of course negotiable if you are planning something
different
> (larger print run, further re-print...). I would also like to have a copy
of
> any publication my picture would be included in, and my name credited
alongside
> the picture.
>
> Feel free to email for any further question. You can also call me at XXX
>
> Best regards,
>
> Antoine Ossadzow
>
> Quoting ce bouffon de XXX
>
> > Hello there Antoine, I would like to be able to use the photo once or
twice.
> > It would be used for one 737 section header but if we start the Chambery
ski
> > season i may like to use it a second time to announce the series of
flights.
> > Please mail me if you have any more questions. As i said before this is
just
> > an internal newsletter on the companies activities for the pilots, cabin
> > crew and office team at XXX Airways.
> >
> > Thank you
> > Captain Jonathan XXX
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 8:32 AM
> > Subject: RE: Using your photo in the XXX internal company newsletter
> >
> >
> > > Good morning, and sorry for the delay (just back from holidays)
> > >
> > > I am quite glad you consider using my picture for XXX internal
> > newsletter,
> > > but I would need to clarify one aspect of the request. Would the
picture
> > be
> > > used in one single issue of the newsletter, or would it be used as a
> > reccurent
> > > header of the 737 fleet section ?
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >

> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > De : XXX
> > > > Envoyé : mardi 9 septembre 2003 20:31
> > > > Objet : Using your photo in the XXX internal company newsletter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Antoine,
> > > >
> > > > I am a Captain at XXX Airways, I am also in charge of the
Companies
> > > > internal newsletter that we send to all the Pilots, cabin crew and
ops
> > > > staff. I would like to use your photo as the 737 fleet
> > > > section header photo.
> > > > Would this be ok with you for me to do this?
> > > >
> > > > I would also consider using any other photos of our aircraft
> > > > that you take.
> > > >
> > > > Captain XXX
> > > >
> > > >



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Photo © Antoine Ossadzow


 
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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:03 pm

I find this a bit strange as they spent quite a lot to have these hanging from their walls at their STD base :

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Photo © William Ronciere
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Photo © William Ronciere


Maybe they too are being hit by budget restrictions  Sad
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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:08 pm

If the guy is from the airline that is on the photo, I've sold photos to them twice before, and was paid for them.

Konstantin
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lennymuir
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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:34 pm

I was waiting for this 'Titan' thread to appear.

Yes, I've sold them shots before, but they are 'at it' this time.

Decline them any shots.

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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:45 pm

Wow, they must have quite an a.net photo gallery by now...
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TS
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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 9:49 pm

Whoa, €100 for one photo in a little newsletter sounds rather hefty.

Thomas  Smile
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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 10:00 pm

TS

"Whoa, €100 for one photo in a little newsletter sounds rather hefty."

What do you base this comment on, are you a professional photographer that sell pictures to companies on a daily basis? Or are you in a sales/purchasedepartment that handle these kinds of matters?
 
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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 10:14 pm

Jofa, I'm neither a professional photographer nor do I work for such a department. The thought just came to mind because I sold a photo to a Danish daily newspaper recently (my first one  Smile) & had no idea what to charge. So I looked up in a list by a German photographers association what they recommend to get a feel for pricing. And the fees were surprisingly low.

My post wasn't meant to offend anyone or to downgrade anyone's work.

Thomas

[Edited 2003-09-18 15:16:59]
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707CMF
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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 10:49 pm

Whoa, €100 for one photo in a little newsletter sounds rather hefty.

Well, I did not make that price up.
A few weeks back, I did not know what to charge, and someone on this forum told me to check this price sheet :

http://www.photovault.com/Link/index.images/PHOTOVAULTPricing.html

As you can see, I don't even ask for that much. I consider that not being a professionnal photographer, I should not ask that much...

707
 
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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 10:55 pm

I think 707' fees are very reasonable. A good many of us here charge more.
I myself was surprised a while ago when I saw a list of standard prices, and I realized I was underpricing.
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TS
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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:02 pm

I think 707' fees are very reasonable. A good many of us here charge more.

I didn't know that. Do you guys make a difference between smaller & larger companies? Let's say: small regional carrier = lower price, major carrier = higher price? Or is it solely based on circulation?

Thanks, Thomas
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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:32 pm

I've had Titan contact me twice about difference images but they never respond to my replies. Totally useless.

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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:44 pm

Hi,

Same as Lee, Titan contacted me with a generic e-mail, I replied and got no responce

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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:46 pm

Always be careful when airing one's dirty linen in public.

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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:56 am

My photographic linen is virgin clean  Big grin
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RE: Once Again, They Wanted My Pics For Free...

Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:08 am

If Raytheon/Beech bought a photo from me for $50.00, is that too cheap? They said the newsletter would be shipped to over 50 countries...
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