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Action Shots In The Dark

Sun Oct 12, 2003 6:26 am

Tonight I was trying out some action shots around sunset. I set ISO to 400 and fired away. However, practically all got rejected. Can one really expect the same sharpness under these conditions? What about grain, I'm under the impression that my camera produces too much of it at this setting...
What's the alternative, no photos of this kind at all?

Feedback and tips on how to do better are highly appreciated!

http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141956
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141958
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141964
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141951
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141946
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141968
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141952

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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Sun Oct 12, 2003 8:42 pm

Some pretty cool shots there.

141956: Nope. Simply dark. Nose is soft.

141958: I really like this one. It might make it in as-is, but it would really be a star if you could get the plane a LITTLE sharper IMHO.

141964: Same as the Thai, although it looks more blurry - it wouldn't make it without a little work.

141951: Watch out for those jaggies, especially around the tail. Unfortunately, the lack of contrast between the plane and the backgroud, due to the poor light, make it a bit "blah"

141946: This might be worth something. Try saturating the hell out of the colors, and toning down the blue. Play with it, and you might come out with something cool.

141968: Brilliant! Looks like the engines are on fire. Might want to clone out that blur on the left wingtip.

141952: The interior lighting is rather neat, but overall it does not look sharp enough to avoid a baddark, I think.

Hope that helps,

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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Sun Oct 12, 2003 8:49 pm

Agree with Charles for the most part, except:

141964 - waaaay too soft / blury. Doubt its salvageable because more sharpness will make the scan and grain worse - there's already elements of badscan in it

141968 - yes, nice pic, but as with the Aer Lingus unless you can get more definition into the titles and logo, it just looks "soft". Lens flare must go too

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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Mon Oct 13, 2003 2:38 am

Thanks a lot for the feedback!
It seems some are not a total writeoff, so I'll try to improve them with the tips you gave.
I'm just wondering, is this amount of grain normal at 400ISO?

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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Mon Oct 13, 2003 5:58 am

10D or film 400 ISO?

If it's the 10D, that's way too much noise. I only get that much noise when I underexpose then brighten in photoshop. Did you make large exposure adjustments?
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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:04 am

It was 400 ISO with the 10D.
What do you mean by large exposure adjustments?
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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:06 am

Did you use Photoshop to incredibly brighten op the pics? That way Noise could form.

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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:30 am

Wietse has a point, when we have dark images and try to increase brightness, all the noise is extraordinarily increased also.

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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:22 pm

No I didn't brighten them up substantially... I know this problem from other situations...
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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:06 pm

Certainly way too much noise for 10D at 400ISO - even 800ISO should be better. I suspect you are underexposing (possibly metering is being overly influenced by the bright light sources) which always increases noise - you may need to dial in some exposure compensation.

I think some test shots with careful reference to the histogram display will be the secret to success. I would suggest that you accept "blown highlights" in the bright light sources (there's no detail to be seen in these anyway) and try and get the main subject a bit brighter.

I think your main problem is going to be "sensor flare" - take a look at the lenses you have avaible to you and try and concentrate on those with a deeply recessed rear element.

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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:21 pm

I have to admit, I never thought so far or tried anything like what Colin proposes. Still a lot to learn for me...

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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:12 pm

Konstantin,

Good thing is you're prepared try new things, and then to listen to and learn from experts like Colin. Some of our contributors faced with a similar situation to yours having tried something new (ie. a few rejections) would throw their toys out of the pram and not play anymore.

Good luck with your next efforts...

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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:31 pm

Konstantin,
your lucky I screened those pictures. Perhaps "kiltman" would have rejected them. I liked the creative part of your pictures and thought they would make an interesting addition to the database. I think I even asked you at one point if they had been shot at 800 iso, I found there was a lot of grain on those pictures.

Hope you can go and try some other similar shots, like with anything it takes some time to get it right...

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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:13 pm

tim you should have mentioned that you screened them on the other site not here Big grin
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RE: Action Shots In The Dark

Tue Oct 14, 2003 5:29 am

Andy, throwing out my toys? Never...
Tim, thanks for the effort "over there"...
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