beechcraft
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Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:21 am

Hey all,
i´m about to go for a new camera, since my Nikon 5700 is driving me crazy. It´s just too slow. I thought about buying the Nikon D100, Canon D60 or the Fuji S2 Pro. I´ve noticed that a lot of you seem to use Canon Cameras is there a really specific reason for it, or just personal preference? I like to be able to use Nikon lenses, because i could share them with friends. Is anyone in fact using the S2? Never heard of it here.
Looking forward to your opinions,

Denis
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:25 am

Denis,

Instead of considering the D60 you might want to go for the 10D, which is actually the successor of the D60. The 300D is also an attractive product which might suit your needs. Most people have gone for Canon because their product is a more attractive one than Nikon. Remember that the D100 is now 2 years old whilst the 10D is about 9 months old. Regarding the Fuji I know Paul Dopson uses it, you might want to check out his pictures or contact him.

Regards,
Tim
 
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:40 am

Hi Denis

First stop would be for you to visit http://www.dpreview.com and search for the cameras within your price range.

Forget all the crap that goes on here about Nikon v Canon.

Presumably you will not have had an SLR camera before? You need to weigh up the lenses on offer as you will need those also. I am still using a Canon D30 which is now two years old. My previous SLR was Canon and before that a Practika (anyone remember them?) My obvious choice was Canon as I had EF lenses.

It was Paul Dopson's Fuji and Chris Sheldons D30 that made me move into the DLSR stuff. I went for the D30 as I could not afford the Fuji  Big grin

Take your time when looking and don't rush into anything.

Hope you get what you are looking for.

Cheers

Gary Watt
 
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:46 am

Hey again,

Following Gary's very good advice, try and visit , a very good site, which has a lot of reviews on cameras, lenses, and also a very good photo database.

You might also want to wait a bit after xmas, prices tend to dip a bit more and Canon is rumoured to announce a new body in the next weeks/months, Nikon should also bring out a new body soon...

Tim
 
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:51 am

If you would like to see some more Fuji S2 Pro pics, check thsese out by Graham Hitchen @ MIA: http://airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=Graham%20Hitchen&distinct_entry=true
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:56 am

Thanks, Tim and Gary

I´m looking forward to buy the camera in early spring ( can´t reeally afford it right now...) i´ll take a look at dpreview and i´m still happy to hear from anyone else, who has an opinion,

Denis
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:00 am

There's nothing special about Canon, apart from them having a superior marketing division compared to all others.

Technologically and optically they're not better than any of the other major brands and mechanically many of their models are inferior (which in part explains the lower price).

Big disadvantage of the S2 is that it does NOT take any form of rechargable batteries!
All the others take rechargables, either custom cells or standard AA size batteries.

As to the D100 being nearly 2 years old: SO WHAT?
It was far ahead of its days at the time and is still on a par with the latest Canon has to offer in the 10D.
For that you get a camera that has all bugs ironed out, and takes the largest collection of quality lenses the world has yet seen.

Even if early next year a replacement model is announced (as expected) for the D100 it will still be high on my list of models to consider.
The F100 I now have has been in production for over 5 years and is expected to last another 5 in production. I fully expect to still use it 10-15 years after that, so I don't mind if it's an older model. By the time I replace it it will be out of production anyway, so having it the hottest currently available does nothing for me (in a few months it won't be anyway...).
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:13 am

Your biggest consideration should be the lens mount you want to use - any of the cameras you mention are capable of taking excellent pics - they differ in detail, but with experience most photographers will learn their camera's strengths and weaknesses and adapt accordingly.

My personal preference was Canon, because I wanted to take advantage of their range of image stablised lenses. And I've not been disappointed. However, if you have access to a range of Nikon glass, I think the would sway the case in favour of the D100 or S2.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Mon Nov 17, 2003 8:32 am

Don Boyd uses the S2 also
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Mon Nov 17, 2003 10:52 am

THanks for a great thread, as I also was about to post on the same subject.

I have to disagree with you about one thing though Jwenting. Though Canon may technologically and Optically be on par with other brands, I found one difference:

repairs.

When I was on the market a few years ago for an SLR, I did a lot of research and by the end, it was a toss up b/w a particular Nikon and Canon. After reading some Consumers reports, I found that amongst 15 brands covered in the reports, Canon's had the least service calls, followed by Nikon. So although I found each to have their strong points, I had to resort to reports to make a decision. (as an aside, Minolta did worst as far as repairs go)



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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:48 pm

Mirodie, it all depends on the model.
Minolta used to need almost no repairs at all (and still does) in the X series cameras.
I've had one for over 20 years that only this year saw a repair shop for the first time and that was because a newly purchased motordrive would not work on it (the drive was some 10 years old as well). It turned out to be the drive at fault and not the camera.
But indeed a few years ago Minolta had a series of cameras that were extremely prone to electronics failure. This caused more than a few dealerships to drop the brand. I've heard the problems have been solved in the current line though.

I also own 3 Nikons. One of them went back to Nikon for a checkup after a shutter failure. They reset the electronics and no more problems.
I've shot thousands of pictures with each.
OTOH the store I visit most is getting a rather larger number of Canons back for repairs, especially the lower end models (of which the 300D is one).
Most repairs are due to extremely heavy use (water ingestion, falling on hard surfaces, etc.) and can't be attributed to the design of the camera.
Probably Nikon users use their cameras harder than others because of their reputation for extreme ruggedness and are therefore more likely to cause trouble for them (especially again the lower end models).

The most rugged of all will probably remain the Nikon F4 and Leica R8.
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:48 pm

Big disadvantage of the S2 is that it does NOT take any form of rechargable batteries!
All the others take rechargables, either custom cells or standard AA size batteries.


The S2 is supplied with rechargable AA batteries (it takes 4) and also uses two CR123 Lithiums, although I have seen rechargable equivalents to the 123's I haven't tried them. Never had any problems with this set up as with any other Dslr always good to have an extra set of batteries/power pack with you.

As has been said I use the S2 but there really isnt much to choose between any of the current batch of Dslr's good luck with what ever one you decide on.

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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Wed Nov 19, 2003 6:40 pm

Hi,
thanks for all your replys. I´m still sure, which one to buy though...
I received an email from a fellow A.net Photographer and he had an issue with the S2´s Autofocus, which he said was a bit to slow when it comes to shooting fighter jets. Not that take pictures of them all the time, but i´d like to be able to do so. Opinions about that? Maybe from Paul, since he ownes one? Hope to hear more,

Thanx, Denis

P.S.: As lenses are a big issue too, as some of you already said, i´m going to open up a new thread about it.
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Wed Nov 19, 2003 6:54 pm

Unless you can afford the next level of pro DSLR (like the Canon 1D) then AF is likely to be an issue in some circumstances with any of the cameras you mention. If the S2 and D100 use the same AF system, so nothing in it there - the 10D & 300D use a similar "advanced amatuer" spec AF system.

Bottom line - fast jets will be a challenge for all but pro spec AF, so be prepared to switch to manual focus - and perhaps make your lens selections with this in mind - some AF lenses are a pig to use in MF mode.

Cheers,

Colin


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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Wed Nov 19, 2003 7:01 pm

Ah, ok. The pro DSLRs like D1x so on are not on my screen yet.
I have to buy food from time to time, you know  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:38 pm

The point about the S2 Pro batteries has already been addressed many times on dpreview and here. As a user of the S2 who very carefully weighed the options of the different Nikon-based DSLRs, the S2 Pro was the best choice. For me its battery set-up is one of the S2s advantages and a reason why I got it rather than the D100. All of my glass is Nikon so that ruled out the excellent Canon choices of DSLRs for me.

I for one avoid proprietary features on many things I purchase, especially when it comes to the batteries. When I travel with my camera for a job I may take 2000+ images. Having to find a place in a remote location of perhaps a foreign country, to plug in and charge my proprietary battery is not only inconvenient it is often impossible.

Yes I could buy extra proprietary cells, and pay lots of money or I can do what I have done and purchase several sets of excellent rechargable AA's http://www.nimhbattery.com/mh-4aa220.htm (which also work in my flash, flashlight, radio etc.) and keep them in my bag. If I were to deplete all of those (I never have) I have the comforting thought that in an emergency I can buy AA's just about anywhere.

As to the C123s the S2 also uses. The camera will work fine without them because I don't use the cameras built-in flash, but just to be safe I have a small pelican case with 12 spares inside. I bought them in bulk a year ago an have used six since then.

Most of the current selection of DSLRs are about even for image quality in my opinion, it comes down to the features you want and need. Do a little reading, look at sample images, count your money then make your selection. I'm sure whatever it is you will be satisfied with the end results.

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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:09 am

This question is to New Yorkers. How much they want right now for Nikon D100 in those little shops around bus terminal on 42nd street???
I bought there camera few years ago. It was almost half the price I would have to pay in the store. And it works fine even today.

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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:13 am

Hi again. I just just found out about the Sigma SD10. Any opinion on that camera or maybe the SD9?

Denis
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:11 am

Again its down to the glass. You'll be locked into Sigma lenses. Now the SD9 or 10 are fine cameras, and Sigma glass is pretty good as well. But do you have confidence that Sigma will be producing a camera appropriate for your requirements in 5 years time?

If you're serious about photography (and if you're buying a DSLR you'd better be!!) it is likely that you will want to upgrade sooner or later. The nice thing about Canon & Nikon is there is always an upgrade path, and your investment in the system is to some extent protected. I wouldn't have the same confidence with Sigma. Given that there is no clear quality or price advantage in going with Sigma, I can't see a compelling reason to buy one.

Personally, if I were to want to wonder off the beaten track, I'd be seriously tempted by the Olympus E1. My Canon dealer is raving about the thing, and claims it beats all bar the Canon 1Ds - his one quibble is that AF is slightly slower.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:59 am

Yeah, i see your point Colin and it´s a good one. I kind of thought it would get a response like this. Just wanted to mention it.

Thanks for the help, Denis
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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:03 pm

Dennis,

I have never had any problems with the S2's focus ability, I dont shoot that many fast jets but every time i have its been up to the job. As Colin has said as long as you have good glass, which I have had to upgrade everything from the S1 to the S2, then you should be fine.

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RE: Need Advice On Dslr Shopping

Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:40 pm

Beechcraft,
I am going through the same thought process right now. I am seriously looking at the Canon 300D, but probably will wait till after Christmas for price changes. You might want to check out this forum site.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/

It is devoted to digital photography and has a section reviewing the major digital SLRs, along with the various lenses, accessories and software. Good luck.

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