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Photography Prevention

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:59 am

It's a beautiful day here in NYC. After getting colrder and codler, it is now cloudless and 65 degrees. Beautiful day.

I want to go an do some spotting or video, but the only thign stopping me is my fear of being hassled by cops. I jsut hate having to stand there HAVING TO act weird, hiding my binoculars and my camera, becuase I'm scared of someone thinking that I'm doing somethign I'm not. I am being suspciious becuase of the suspicion!

It's a shame that this is like this.

Ever not go spotting or not do something that's really no big deal in this hobby because of the fear of being hassled by cops? Hiding your camera until you'r going ot snap a shot or something? Or not go altogether?
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RE: Photography Prevention

Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:15 am

sometimes I give it a thought, but the airports around here are small enough that they know my car by sight, which I think helps. I also stay next to my car until it is time to take a picture.
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RE: Photography Prevention

Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:35 am

I don't give it any thought anywhere I go. I have nothing to hide and don't consider most visits a hassle unless I am told I can't be doing what I'm doing. I stay in public areas unless I have prior authorization, and maintain a decent attitude when I get questioned.

Go out and take some pictures. It is legal.  Smile
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RE: Photography Prevention

Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:39 am

it IS an awckward feeling walking through the airport with a camera in one hand, and a scanner in the other. not many people bother to look, or cops for that matter. when i set up inside the central terminal at LGA [ok, im inviting criticism here], i have my camera out, and most of the time my scanner. the scanner is on full squawk, and its not very loud. never attracted attention. me not having a DSLR [yet] probably has something to do with it camera doesnt look too threatening [as if cameras were a threat].

the only time i have EVER been stopped in LGA was when i was there with justin c., and he had his *bigger camera. attracted some attention, id imagine, so thats that. not to say that i would still hang around there until im dragged out in cuffs, though.

so phil, unless your video spot is on some sort of secretive piece of land, dont feel weird. go to the dock. go to mcneil park. go to planeview. these are spotter-friendly places, as far as i know.

and who knows, if you do get arrested, you can always have a nice view of 31/13 from rikers island  Big grin.
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RE: Photography Prevention

Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:51 am

I personally keep all my gear out-of-sight until it's time to shoot if I'm doing in-terminal at LGA. No need to draw attention to yourself. I would also suggest that you use a earpiece with that scanner, again not to draw attention. no disrespect but trust me Brian when you get older you will get approached more by papd/security.

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RE: Photography Prevention

Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:54 am

Had that problem sometimes. Normally I'm somewhere I don't think i'm supposed to be so obviously I run the risk of getting hassled. Not that I jump fences or anything to get inside the airport grounds but I guess not being on the 'spotting road' gets to airport security whether i'm trespassing or not..
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Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:43 am

I agree with Michael...when I was Brian's age I used to wander around the terminals taking photos almost at will...nowadays Im more hesitant, cause I cant think of anything more embarrassing than getting stopped by an airport security officer and told to put the camera away or something along those far as outside spotting/shooting experience at PHL was discouraging, so I wont be back there for a while despite it being my home airport, but at other airports I feel pretty confident...I love it here in DEN...the airport authorities actually have brains and understand spotters/photographers needs....

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RE: Photography Prevention

Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:02 am

I decided to head out anyway. And i'm glad I did. Being on the wrong side of the sun, I put down my video camera and raised my Bushnells and took down some regis.

It was relaxing. I sat on my famous rock. Check out this picture. See the big white building in the middle? look down to the shore below it and a little over to the right until you see a big rock, biggest on the shore. I sat on that for an hour and a half.

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Here's what I saw:

N802FR - Fronteir A318 with Caribou on the tail

N814NK _ Spirit MD80, used to have the 10th Anniversary scheme (I'm still angry about that, I knew it was her before I looked at the regi as she was so shiny from the new paintjob).

N555TZ - ATA's 757-300 with "pleasant holidays" painted on the side

I also got to see two Air Canada Jazz Bae-146s in green and red. These aircraft were formerly retired and brought back into service on November 2.

Also seen was a corporate 727-100 with winglets, painted with a white body and blue tail and cheatline.

Who said LGA was boring?

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RE: Photography Prevention

Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:15 am

no disrespect but trust me Brian when you get older you will get approached more by papd/security.

no disrespect taken. thats actually a good idea, with the headphones. will definately get a pair. its nice to know i still have my innocence, but i definately see where you are coming from. one perk about being approached more often when you're older is that you [should] have the credibility to defend yourself, as oppsed to getting your parents involved. not that im looking forward to that or anything...

phil, youve just seen everything ive been wanting to...ATA 753 [special c/s, nonetheless], and a 721. they were landing EV31 today, coming right over my school. saw the DAL 764 come in 20 minutes late from my english class  Smile/happy/getting dizzy. do you have a schedule for the 753 at LGA? or is it used as a sub for the 52 when more capacity is required?

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RE: Photography Prevention

Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:21 am

I do things that sometimes I get worried about. I now have a long lens and the other day while I was trying to take shots of planes taking off from runway 12, I was standing on top of my car in the 94th Aerosquadron restaurant. The parking lot is in between a major highway and a another road that recieves a lot of traffic. Everyone who passed me stared at me like I was doing something very strange. I think one guy even pulled into the parking lot to make sure I wasn't holding something strange and then just drove off (maybe trying to be some hero or maybe I'm just really pushing it with that one). But several cops passed me and didn't do anything and I'm convinced that the tower "knows" me because I am out there a lot and they really don't bother me all too much. The point is it must have been a really strange sight seeing someone standing on their car next to the airport with a large lens, but I don't care, I was doing nothing wrong...
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RE: Photography Prevention

Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:27 am

The ATA 753 seems to be a capacity sub for 752s coming in at about 4PM each day, as I keep seeing it, and it's not on their site.

Glad I left when I did, with the 764 being late. I was going to hang out for it.
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RE: Photography Prevention

Sat Nov 22, 2003 1:53 pm

I went to MHT tonight with a group of 7 other pilots. The view of runway 35 is totally unrestricted now that it's extended to 9000'; you can see right down the entire length from a hill less than 500' from the threshold. About an hour after we got there, a sheriff pulled up and told us to leave. We were standing in a no-parking area, and our cars were in an actual parking lot.

One of us mentioned to him that we're all pilots and we mean no harm. The sheriff replied with some silly BS about how since we're pilots, we understand that we could be standing there with a surface-to-air missile. How dare he assume I think that! It's just the opposite! Me, as a pilot, and him, as law enforcement, should realize that someone doesn't have to be right under the final approach path to shoot down a plane with a rocket. Give me a break.

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RE: Photography Prevention

Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:36 pm

phil, my trick is to wave at the cops if i see them. [used all throughout high school to get out of worse things than being cought spotting] it works, as akbar and futterman can verify.

i was asked by NYPD what i was doing at planeview standing by the fence with cam in had and big red backpack on the ground. i was between classes and just explained to the cops what i was doing. PAPD and NYPD have brains, they understand us.
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