britman
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Help On Taking Fotos Please

Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:09 am

hi all .
i,m a very frequent visitor to airliners.net, i read the multitude of topics that are in the forum,very interesting indeed but i do admit i do spend alot of time viewing the pictures in the data base...fantastic pictures.i would love to get more involved with taking pictures myself and im asking anyone out there for help,all the photos on here are top quality obviously taken with very good cameras and no doubt expensive too, i just want info on what kind of camera to purchase,what kind of lens,whats the best model of camera to use.what optical zoom is best etc..im looking to buy a camera soon as a gift to myself for christmas and would just like some info.
thank you
 
SlamClick
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RE: Help On Taking Fotos Please

Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:42 am

Wow, where to start. Obviously you have (access to, at least) a computer. A photo editing program such as Adobe Photoshop is a tool as important as the camera itself. Rare is the photo that can be uploaded as-is. They need leveling, cropping, color-correcting, cleanup etc.

At present I am using a Sony F-707 digital that cost about $1000 USD and I am not really impressed with it. Some of my pictures up on this site were taken with a thirty year old Minolta SRT-101 which is a 35mm. Those pictures or their negatives had to be scanned, so that is an extra step for using film. In general, a decent 35mm will get more detail and sharpness in a shot than a very expensive digital.

I would not advise spending much money on the tools until you have worked them a bit. You might look at older 35mm cameras on eBay and such places. I have seen them change hands for just a few bucks. Get some pictures taken with them and see what you think.

Read a couple of books on photography from your library. Pay more attention to rules of composition and aesthetics and less about the technology of it, at first. Then go out and shoot some pictures. Get some you like and cannot find much fault with and upload them. And keep reading this forum. We all find it very useful. Keep looking at the pictures here - they are the best classroom you could ask for.

Good luck and enjoy it.
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MIA777
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RE: Help On Taking Fotos Please

Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:54 am

If I were you, I would read up on some of the recent topics in this forum that cover the new, modern cameras from DSLRs to compact digitals (those are obviously all digital cameras, which is a good and bad place to start taking pictures. You should maybe buy a book that covers general photography to learn more about the technical aspects which is the most important part). From there, you can pretty much figure out what you need and the price that it's going to cost you. Sites like http://www.dpreview.com are rich with information regarding the latest and past models of cameras as well. Just figure out your budget, and then research your options (if you get an SLR, check out the dpreview forums for lens advice, or even this site because lenses have always been hot topics). Then go out and just practice...a lot.

Ryan Kaskel - MIA
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2912n
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RE: Help On Taking Fotos Please

Thu Dec 04, 2003 12:56 pm

Try this site for a very good article on aviation photography. Some good basic lessons here.


www.warbirdaeropress.com


Check out a couple of books like the National Geograpic Guide to photography or one of the fine Kodak books on photography. If you prepare yourself and get decent equipment (does not have to be big bucks, just quality) you can set yourself up for a lifetime of photo enjoyment. Do it wrong and you will just get frustrated.

Tony

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britman
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RE: Help On Taking Fotos Please

Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:07 am

Thanks very much for your feedback, many interesting points there to look into,i am so looking forward to starting what i think will be a superb hobby,once again thanks very much.
 
SlamClick
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RE: Help On Taking Fotos Please

Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:44 pm

Let me clarify what I meant with my first post, as it seems to conflict with the points the guys made in the next couple of posts.

If you develop a good eye for a picture and have great opportunities for photos, you will eventually be frustrated by the limitations of the camera and other tools.

If you have the world's best camera and unlimited access to the airplanes but have no real understanding of what a good photo is, you will be frustrated by your inability to get recognition (acceptance by A.Net for example)

If you have plenty of money there is no problem. Proceed in any direction you choose. My advice was intended for a person like me, who might have to choose between the great camera and feeding my family.

You can develop your eye, your ability to see the final print through the viewfinder with an inexpensive used camera. It will teach you to notice when there is clutter that will ruin the picture, or when the angle just won't make for a pretty shot.

When you start to get encouraging results with such a camera you will also begin to notice its limitations. In my opinion that is the time to move up to more expensive gear. The great cameras will always be there waiting for you. And remember, when you buy a camera you are not stuck with it for life. Buy an older, (but decent) used 35mm and use it until you think you've outgrown it. It should then re-sell for about what you paid for it.

The rest of the advice is really good. Want to know what a good picture is? Look at lots and lots of pictures. Read about it. Then look at more pictures. Take a lot of pictures. Try several of the same subject if you can. Try moving your point-of-view up/down or left/right, closer/farther. Waste some film. You will soon see what works.

Good luck, and I hope to see some of your shots up here soon.
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L1011Fan
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RE: Help On Taking Fotos Please

Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:25 am

I've discovered that even the best of DSLR's don''t make up for inexperience. I am fortunate to have a father who is a pro photography (i.e. he makes his living at it) and I have access to some great gear. I was lucky enough to take a FujiFilm S2 Pro with a Tascam 35 - 128 lens out on my last trip. My pictures still stunk because I am an amateur. I have a whopping one picture in the database (see my shameless plug below  Smile/happy/getting dizzy) and it was taken with a Nikon CoolPix 5700.

I, like yourself, have much to learn about photography but I'm not getting discouraged. I've taken about 200 plane pictures (digital) and almost of them were flawed in some way. I'm not sure why but I've had some great luck taking film pix. I don't have the ability to scan those film pics though so I can't submit them.

Good luck!


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2912n
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RE: Help On Taking Fotos Please

Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:03 am

Slam click...You must be tired  Smile There is no conflict between posts...you hit it on the head. You don't have to spend a ton of money buying top equipment to enjoy this hobby, or to get photos posted on Anet. I would suggesst that you ask yourself why you want to get into aviation photography. If you want to enjoy yourself by watching airplanes and challange yourself by trying to take the best photos possible for your own enjoyment, your will probably have a great hobby. But we have seen many people come through here who think it is really cool to take airplane photos, invest in some equipment and think they will have stuff displayed on Anet. When they find it is not that easy they get frustrated and stomp off in anger.

Remember that it is a HOBBY. You can throw as much or as little money into it as you want. There are photographers here who use 20+ year old 35mm cameras and reasonably priced scanners to get their photos on. Others use semi pro to pro equipment and wind up with the same result.

Learn photography (both the technical side and the aesthtic side...at least a passing familiarity with the tech side...) and ENJOY. There are few things like catching that "just right" photo to make your day.
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britman
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RE: Help On Taking Fotos Please

Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:25 pm

Thanks alot people,ive enjoyed reading your feedback,very informative
 
paulinbna
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RE: Help On Taking Fotos Please

Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:30 pm

It was mentioned a little earlier but the National geographic book helped me understand the basics of photography here is the link. (Sorry so long)

http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/jump.jsp?itemID=60&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C105%2C114%2C210

The one thing that really got me understanding light is fully Manuel camera (mine is a medium format TLR) and a light meter.

Another thing is when you look at pictures in magazines and books always look at the technical aspects of the picture. Like light and composition.

One last thing is really critique your pictures, when you take them. Most people laugh at me when I take pictures to work because I always say some thing bad about them and the people who are looking can't see anything wrong.
Canon 50D user; 100-400 MM L IS 10-22 MM, 60MM Macro
 
Karlok
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RE: Help On Taking Fotos Please

Sun Dec 07, 2003 2:12 am

What is your budget?

If you are new to photograpy I won't suggest you a D-SLR.
There are several good camera's in the mid-range with more zoom.

Try at this site you can select your budget, what you want and dpreview.com select some camera put it in a table and you can compare the different camera's.

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