maiznblu_757
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Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Wed Dec 10, 2003 3:52 pm

Are these lenses worth the money? The 'L' glass (Thats what you pros call it, right?  Big grin ) is non IS, and only goes to 200mm. But, it is 'L' glass. Many of you have said this is the best. Which of these should I go with? I am hoping Tony Z can sell me his Sigma 170-500mm for a decent price, so going with the 200mm lens might be better.

What you think?

1)Canon 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 IS USM EF Lens

$529.00

2)Canon 70-200mm f/4.0L USM EF Lens

$ 558.00






[Edited 2003-12-10 07:54:02]
 
2912n
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:00 pm

Chad--this was in the other thread....you might be well off with that L lens and a 2x converter..

"Andy,
good move. The 10D is a good unit for the money no question about it. I don't recommend the 100-400, its too slow in my opinion- better with the 70-200 F2.8 IS and 1.4X and 2.0X converters, this way you have the 70-200 which is much more versatile than the restrictive 100-400 and F2.8 with IS is the best thing modern photography has to offer. I also have the 16-35 F2.8 which im happy with, in fact i've never been unhappy with any L lens i've owned."

 
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:11 pm

Thanks Tony,
trying to get all the info I can before Friday. Im going in search of my camera... I will SUCCEED!

Hey, does it matter that max app. is f/4.0 and that its not IS?

Also found a BIG Sigma 170-500mm for $629.00


If I go that route, I will have to buy you lunch lol.. I will need the "Fishing Weight" to fill the gap temprorarily until I can get the 70-200mm.

 
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:24 pm

For a little more you can get the Sigma 50-500mm EX APO HSM, think about it. From reviews I've read it could be better than 170-500mm.
 
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:57 pm

Please note that Canon 70-200mm f/4.0L USM EF + 2x will NOT give AF on D30/D60/10D/300D.
/JM
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maiznblu_757
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:05 pm

Please note that Canon 70-200mm f/4.0L USM EF + 2x will NOT give AF on D30/D60/10D/300D

Well, that changes everything.. That is just with the converter, though, correct?



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Jan Mogren
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:19 pm

Yes,
and it will AF with the 1,4x.
/JM
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:23 pm

Thanks Jan.

FILLER
 
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:28 pm

The 70-200 f4 is a real class act - quality is in a different league to the others you've mentioned. Even with the 1.4 attached, it will outperform the 75-300.

What you have to decide is whether you want the best possible quality or trade this off against price/focal length.

I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. If your budget is tight and you really need 300mm plus right now, then the 70-200 won't do.

If 200mm is enough, or you can stretch your budget to the 1.4 convertor, then the 70-200 is an excellent investment for the future - it will not let you down and will outlast a whole series of bodies. I am not aware of any other zoom lens sharper than this one.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:29 am

Thanks Colin,
Is this the same lens you use with the 2.0x converter?


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I am ordering the 70-200mm Lens above. Now, will it be a pain operating this lens with the 2.0x converter (due to the fact I lose the auto focus capabilities with the 2.0x converter).

I appreciate everyones help.



 
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:26 am

I have the 70-200 f4, and if you email me from my profile, I will be happy to send you a full size JPEG from a 10D.

Regards,
Craig.
 
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:34 am

maiznblu_757@yahoo.com

Thanks Craig.

Chad
 
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:34 am

That shot of colin is with the 70-200 2.8 IS.

I advise you to go with the 70-200. Having L glass is a good feeling, you have the best possible sharpness and its nice to have a white lens on your camera  Big grin

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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:39 am

Thanks Wietse,

I am going to order it today or tomorrow. I probably will not get a converter, but, will buy the Sigma 50-500mm around March time frame. I have read great things about that lens. Most places have it for around $950.00. Thats a steal, because most of these places show it normally priced at $1900.00!
 
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:49 am

If you want to put a 2x on a 70-200 lens, you might want to consider the f2.8 version of the 70-200 L lens. you will still have decent light, and I think your autofocus might still work (someone else might correct me on that)

Charles
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:08 am

this is bouncing around in quite a few threads at the moment, but what the heck...

as is already stated, the 70-200 is the favorable lens. (here comes my obsession with IS) for $50 more, one can go with the L glass, and not the 75-300, but at a cost of losing the IS feature and considerable focal length.

although with the 1.4x TC, the AF apparently isn't lost, quality is put at risk, i would think. and you still don't have IS. so what's the big huge difference between a quality-depreciated 70-200 non-IS, and a 75-300 IS? i'm also interested in this, and still tyring to sort things out.
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:12 am

I dont think you can even compare the 70-200mm to the 75-300. They are in a different league!
 
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:02 pm

*note*
that if you buy the sigma 170-500 you will need to get it rechipped! if your using a canon you will have to send the lens to sigma for this to be carried out.
 
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:46 pm

Any idea if the 50-500 also needs to be rechipped by Sigma if to be used on a Canon?

What is the reason for this unusual procedure? Lack of compatibility?
 
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:38 pm

I think much of it depends on when the lens was made. My 170-500 seems to work fine on both a D60 and a 10D as does a 300 prime Sigma I was given as a gift. No error messages at all. But a friend in the UK got a 300 prime as well and had to have it re chipped. (After a few calls they did it for free.)

Tony
 
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:11 pm

if it's prior 2000 you need to get it rechipped.

thats what is recommended on the sigma website, it gives some info on cameras it is not compatible with, sigma do this for free!  Smile
 
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:39 pm

sigma do this for free!

Sometimes. I know of people being charged (£20 I think) in the UK.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:50 pm

Have you thought of the Sigma EX 100-300mm f4 or Sigma EX 70-200 f2.8?

The 100-300 is about the same price as the Canon 70-200m f4L and although not L glass it's a cracking lens and also gives you an extra 100mm.

Just an option

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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:50 pm

How does Sigma and Canon compare when looking at second hand prices? For example, does one generally stay higher in price than the other when it is used?

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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:18 pm

Hard to say - the problem is that you tend to find used L glass only when Canon had bought out a replacement - so when the 70-200 f2.8 came out, there was a surplus of f4s on the market ... similar thing happened to the 17-35 when they brought out the 16-35. But I think on the whole L glass holds its value well - I've seen some lenses sell on E-bay for more than list price  Smile. Aside from the exceptions above, I've not seen any real bargains to be had.

Cheers,

Colin

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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:49 pm

The 70-200 f4 at 200mm held more resolution than my 75-300mm did at 300mm on my D30. That is to say, standing at one point and shooting at maximum telephoto with both lenses, I was able to crop the 70-200 image in photoshop and resolve more detail than the longer lens. Not by a huge margin, but noticeable after tests I did on them a while back. Stopped down the 75-300 gets sharper, but it never gets the color or contrast of the 70-200. The 70-200 f4 is a beauty of a lens. The only next best thing is IS.

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RE: Help Compare These Two Lenses Please...

Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:54 am

I am going to go ahead and buy the Cannon 70-200mm f/4L. I have read great reviews, and coupled with what most of you are saying sounds like its a good investment. Thanks for your input.

As I said, in March I will invest in the Sigma 50-500mm (Maybe something else will be out by then.)

Chad


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