manzoori
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Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:26 am

Folks,

My current short lens is a very basic Canon 28-90mm unit, which is proving somewhat frustrating given the 1.6x multiplier effect of the D30 making it effectively a 44.8-144mm lens!  Angry

I've done a bit of research and I think what I'm after is an 18-50mm type lens like the new Sigma 18-50mmDC or even the new Canon 18-55 EF-S lens... or maybe even a wide angle convertor? I know you can get these for the point and shoot brigade, and one can get 1.4x and 2x convertors for SLRs, but a 0.45x convertor for an SLR? Never seen one myself!

So, coming back to the Sigma and Canon lenses then.... The Sigma lens looks very appealing because of the low cost. Can one buy the EF-S lens separately or is it only available bundled with the EOS 300D? Are there any suitable alternatives I should be considering?

Cheers!

Rez
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:50 am

EF-S lenses only work on the 300D - the rear element sits nearer the film plane (or sensor) and if you could put one on your D60 the mirror would hit the rear of the lens when it flips up as you take a picture.

No converters less than 1.4x on the market. There have been wide angle attachments marketed from time to time that usually fit on the front of a lens, but to be honest they're usually crap in the SLR lens market.

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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:29 am

you might want to have a look at the Sigma 12-24, a nice lens for the price, but aperture suffers a bit (no such thing as a free lunch)
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:47 am

EF-S lenses only work on the 300D

D'oh! Embarrassment I knew that... I've read the reviews dozens of times and still I make a numpty statement like that! {shakes head in bewilderment!}

Thanks Andy and Royal for your responses.

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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:30 am

Rez,

depends how much you have to spend, but the sigma 15-30mm is supposed to be quite good, i was recommended it when buying my 10D because of the focal multiplier. As always the canon L series are the dogs, and the 17-40 can be picked up for about £500ish now,

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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:26 am

Daz,

As little as possible mate, I'd rather spend the money on a Sigma 170-500mm lens. Hopefully one of the Shops in Andorra will be able to accomodate my lens needs when I go there in Mid Feb.

Let's face it, I should just get the Sigma 18-50 lens. It gives me the wider angle I want and all for a very reasonable £100 or so.

Cheers!

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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 6:16 am

IMHO compromising on wide angle quality is a big mistake - in many ways the wide angle is a more complex design than a telephoto and is particularly prone to various abberations, lens flare, and distortion. I've owned a number of budget wide angles, and each time it was a mistake.

I also owned the Canon 17-35L, and even this expensive lense suffered at the wide end of things. For this reason, I've now gone completely off zoom wides - after all the zoom represents only a few steps in either direction, and because of the complexity of the lens, you pay a high price in quality.

I would look hard at primes - Canon/Sigma/Tamron make a good range, and if money is tight, check out the 2nd hand market.

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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 6:58 am

Sorry Colin, I should really have been clearer in my earlier posts.

The lens isn't intended primarily for aviation photography, but is more for architecture, Family photos, landscapes... that sort of thing. I was getting very frustrated by the fact that I simply could not get far enough away from my subject to get it in one shot.

For example, I took my wife to Prague just before Christmas and ended up taking overlapping shots with a view to 'stitching' them simply because the lens was too close... if you know what I mean! Some of the 'stitch' shots worked, most didn't, hence my frustration!

Hmmm... I hope I haven't upset the mods by asking a photography question that's not directly aviation related? If it helps, I will be using the new lens to shoot aircraft, I can almost guarantee it! Big grin

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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:05 am

Is the Canon 20mm f/2.8 any good?

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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 8:37 am

Rez - if you're interested in architecture, don't skimp on your wideangle ... you'll be plagued by barrell distortion (curving verticals)!

Staffan - the 20mm f2.8 is a very nice little lens - I was very tempted by it, but wanted something a little wider to counter the DSLR crop - 20mm comes out as effectively 32mm on a D30/D60/D10

Cheers,

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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 8:42 am

I would be looking for something in the 14mm range if you are going to buy a prime.

Both Sigma and Canon make a 14mm f/2.8

Of course, the Canon will set you back to the tune of about $1500US

I would say architecture photography would be much more demanding then aviation photography.
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 8:46 am

at least you don't need a ladder.....
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 9:10 am

Hi Rez:

If you're really interested in archiecture, one thing you should always keep in mind is that the moment the camera is tilted up from absolute horizontal, the building walls will start to look like it is falling over backwards. Unless the wide angle lens you get is a PC (Perspective control) lens which are very expensive and no wider than 35mm.

That said, on all my foreign travels my absolute favorite lens (shooring film) is the Nikkor 20-35mm f:2.8 lens. It's gotten my out of many tight jams (sorry, bad pun) when I just can't back up enough. In addition, when travelling I simply won't leave home unless my Nikkor 16mm f:2.8 Fisheye is also in my bag. Yes, yes, yes.... I know. It distorts with lots of barrel distortion but I have some shots of building interiors where literally nothing else would do. When you need that all-encompassing feeling of being in a large cathedral etc., nothing but the fisheye will do.

If you want to check out some of my travel photos (Cuba specific) then here's the link. Also includes photos of some Cuban aircraft, civil and military.
http://photopilot.tripod.com
Note it's a free hosted website and is bandwith limited per day. If you can't get in today, try again tomorrow.

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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 9:11 am

Once again, I am indebted to you all for you advice... thank you!

Cheers!

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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 9:22 am

"Unless the wide angle lens you get is a PC (Perspective control) lens which are very expensive and no wider than 35mm."

Unless you use Canon, who offer a 24 mm f/3.5 tilt-shift.  Big grin

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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:50 am

I have the D30 myself, and use the Sigma 17-35mm f/2.8 lens. I paid $300 on ebay for it, and it was in mint condition.

Only problem I had with it was shooting in cold weather, the AF didn't want to work to well....pretty odd.

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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 12:05 pm

off topic: Steve....your Cuba photos are spectacular!!! My personal favorite was this one: http://photopilot.tripod.com/vivacuba/id41.html. Do you have other photos on the internet?

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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 12:40 pm

Hi Ryan:
Thanks for the kind comment of my Cuba stuff. Cuba, and Havana in particular are one of my favorite travel destinations.

As to on-line photos, I am also a participant in PhotoSig, an online photo site. Membership is free and it's a place to showcase and discuss general photography regardless of subject.
You can find my stuff at.....
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=38703

I think you will only be able to see thumbnail sizes images unless you register with the site. But basic membership is free, so why not. It's a great place for purely photographic critique.

Steve
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Advice Please?

Wed Jan 07, 2004 6:19 pm

Agreed that a tilt/shift would be invaluable for serious architectural work, but hard to justify the cost.

Some people may not be aware, however, that you can get a fair degree of perspective control from within Photoshop.

Use the crop tool, select the "perspective" box on the options bar, and you can then move the corners of the crop box in or out to line the crop box borders with, for example, a vertical wall in the image. There are of course limits to how much correction can be applied without destroying the image, but many pics can be improved this way - and not just architecture!

Fisheyes - I think people tend to either love or hate these lenses ... I must confess to being in the latter category  Smile, though they seem to be more and more popular - perhaps the price seems less scary if you've paid for a DSLR!

Cheers,

Colin
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