LHSebi
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Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:55 am

Hello.
I was just curious, while looking at the different photos, how people get onto the flight deck to take them after 911. I realize a lot of them are taken after/before the flight, but many photos come from approaches, or from inflight. Do you give the camera to the pilots to take some pictures or something? On my last flight from LHR to EDI with BMI, I asked about the cockpit, and the F/A told me that it isnt possible anymore. Any info is appreciated, as I would like to get some shots on my next flight.  Big thumbs up

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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:00 am

Well, it's always possible that a member of the flight crew took the photo.

Otherwise, I doubt there are many taken onboard U.S. airlines, which are quite strict about cockpit access. Some foreign airlines are more lenient, though, about inflight cockpit visits and/or jumpseat access for non-pilots. I took photos of the cockpit of an AF Concorde last May...it wasn't difficult, since the door was left wide open during the flight.
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:10 am

On a DL flight from ATL to CDG the FO in the jumpseat had 3 cameras and was taking pictures during the entire flight.
 
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:11 am

Also, I've noticed that some folks still get jumpseat rides (me included). I guess it really depends on your job or who you know.
 
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:14 am

C17Glbm, how do you get the jumpseat rides? I have gotten them before 911 for example for the approach/landing on a LH A340 to CCS (great! they gave me a headset and everything)...

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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:14 am

Also, I've noticed that some folks still get jumpseat rides (me included). I guess it really depends on your job or who you know.

C17Glbm,

I don't really see how that's possible...unless you have some sort of explicit permission from the FAA Administrator, not to mention the airline...and I really, really highly doubt that...

Just wait until UTA_Flyinghigh gets hold of this thread...talk about self-gloss picture posting galore..
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:19 am

I agreee with JBirdAV8r,

unless you are a pilot and work for that specific airline, you cannot jumpseat in the cockpit. I know that's how it is for PSA and Piedmont. They make all other air carrier's crew sit in the back.
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:23 am

I guess I should have been clearer on the issue and not bring peoples hopes up too high. Some flights, such as military charter, you get lucky. Also, some guys here work with the FAA. Just by being nice and friendly you'd certainly not get a jumpseat ride.
 
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:25 am

Well, I am still wondering how all these pictures were made then. Are so many photographers on a.net involved in the airline business?

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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:29 am

Military charter, actually I think any unscheduled charter operator flights, are subject to an entirely different set of rules than scheduled air carrier service.

And sir, I guarantee you...being best friends with an FAA inspector will not get you in the jumpseat in any circumstance.
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:29 am

It really is political. There is only one faction in the current situation in the US who hijack planes, and that faction aren't going to hijack MEA, Emirates, Iran Air, Malaysia et al. I wouldn't bet against a situation arising on a Saudi Airlines flight, but that's another conversation. Some airlines can simply afford to be more relaxed than others. In fact I've heard Lufthansa allow passengers in the jumpseat for landing (albeit a caucasian with a CPL in this case), but I guess even LH don't face the security threat that US / UK / Oz / Israeli airlines do.
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:29 am

Like someone said, outside the US it is very possible to still get jump seats.
My wife just last year had the jump seat on a Tyrolean flight within Europe, because she happens to know one of the flight attendants. No explicit permission from FAA needed, or the airline for that matter.
 
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:29 am

You only need a girlfriend which is working as a flight attendant, thanks to her I had 7 jumpseat flights (3 return flights and 1 oneway) last year  Big thumbs up.

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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:30 am

"And sir, I guarantee you...being best friends with an FAA inspector will not get you in the jumpseat in any circumstance."

Being the FAA Inspector will.
 
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:03 am

Wow, it's amazing how some speak in absolutes here. At the airline I work for, which is a US airline, all of our flight deck crew, A&P tech's, and dispatchers can jumpseat. There is a group of loadmasters (me included) trying to get our privilages back, as the FAR's do provide for us to have access.
 
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:31 pm

I'm kind of disappointed really - I remember pre-September 11, I used to be allowed to the cockpit, and would stay for 30-60 minutes, chatting with the pilots, and taking some pictures, and it never really seemed to raise any eyebrows or be much of a concern. I understand why things have changed, but I am still very much discouraged.

I almost didn't even bother trying to get up there on my last BA flight from YYZ-LHR. I'm flying AC from YYZ-LHR-YYZ in a couple months, so I'm curious to see what kind of procedures and regulations Air Canada has in place when it comes to matters such as visiting the cockpit and taking some pictures. (If anyone knows, or has had any experience with Air Canada in these matters their input would be appreciated??)

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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:34 pm

Being the FAA Inspector will.

LOL.... and C172Glbm shuts them down.
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:39 pm

Despite the inflight rules, most aircrews seem pretty relaxed about people visiting the flightdeck and taking pictures. I was rather surprised to hear that a United Airlines pilot denied a friend's son (13) to take a picture of the flightdeck.............looking around was fine, picture taking no can do. Is this a UA rule or was it just this one individual.
Last time I checked, there was nothing confidential in a Triple Seven flightdeck.
 
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:52 pm

Last time I checked, there was nothing confidential in a Triple Seven flightdeck.

Especially with a popular plane like the 777, you can learn as much sitting in your chair at home as you can during a flight deck visit if you have a good quality simulator, available for about 30 bucks. Why deny people flight deck visits on the ground? Just doesn't make sense.
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:10 pm

C17,
You are so full of it, an FAA inspector 21-25 years old? The story has changed a wee bit hasn't it.

You may be able to ride on a military plane. I can assure you, you haven't ridden on a commercial plane in the flight deck. I t doesn't matter if you are a military whatever, you have to be in the database of the said airline in order to travel OMC or in the flight deck, so in laymens you are bragging about something you haven't done.

And sadly enough I don't believe your story of the 13 year old who was denied a snapshot with his little Fuji camera, I had several little people out when the war in Iraq started and we got pictures up the wazoo of flight decks from CO-777'S UAL-747's and 777's NWA-747's WOLD AIRWAYS-tri stars and so on, no pilot is going to deny a child a picture unless it was departure time or he was busy.


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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:24 pm

"C17,
You are so full of it, an FAA inspector 21-25 years old? The story has changed a wee bit hasn't it."

I never did claim I was an FAA inspector. I did state that being an FAA inspector would certainly get you into a flightdeck inflight. Choose to believe what you want. SADLY enough, this Capt. did not allow a picture to be taken regardless of how many kids you had running around at the time who did get one. BTW Not sure how Iraqi Freedom relates to this.
 
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:28 pm

Hmmm.
I got flamed over my last thread with this, so I shall tread cautiously.
There are ways to get the jumpseat post 9/11, the only thing I'll say is that it helps if you're a pilot and it's your national airline.

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All taken post 9/11.

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UTA

PS : Apologies to the people offended by the overhead panel thingy.

Edit to say that I missed that :
Just wait until UTA_Flyinghigh gets hold of this thread...talk about self-gloss picture posting galore..

True, I admit that. But I go to so many lengths to get these shots, invest a lot in my equipment, then spend a lot of time editing them, getting them rejected, editing them again. Yes, I take pride in what I do, and btw, trust me, if I were to plug all the jumpseat pics I have here, now that would be quickly deleted. If you were with me here, I would be just as happpy to show you my prints or my slides. It's not a plug thing, it's a happy-to-show you my pics thing  Laugh out loud

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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:42 pm

"Despite the inflight rules, most aircrews seem pretty relaxed about people visiting the flightdeck and taking pictures. I was rather surprised to hear that a United Airlines pilot denied a friend's son (13) to take a picture of the flightdeck.............looking around was fine, picture taking no can do. Is this a UA rule or was it just this one individual."-C17Glbm

This was probably done because the UAL pilot knew he was not supposed to allow anyone access to the flight deck while inflight. He knew it was a no-no so he didn't allow the kid to take pictures because if there were pictures, there would be documentation that the kid was in the cockpit during flight. If no pictures taken, there would be no evidence that it actually happened. It would be the word of a respected airline captain against a thirteen year old kid.
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:00 pm

Well, I was flying with SAS from HEL to ARN last December, and the flight was slightly overbooked. They asked for volunteers, but did not get enough. There was still one passenger too much, so we could not depart.

At this point, the Captain arrived to the gate and chose one passenger to sit in the cockpit for the entire duration (45 min). This lady was by no means a SAS employee (or any other airline for that matter), she was absolutely thrilled by the experience.

Greetings,
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:13 pm

In response to many prior comments about the possibility of taking pictures from the flight deck during flight, I must say that it is indeed a very common events with many people being allowed up front during the normal operation of the aircraft.

I read one person's comment about how there was no way for anyone to get up there, no matter who you knew in the FAA or what your job title was. Well, I will be the first to say that it happens much more than anyone may want to think. In fact, and I say this quite lightly, just about any current military pilot can state their position and be allowed quick access to the front. Now, nobody said this was lawful or endorsed by the airlines, but it happens. I think the time spent to prove each other wrong in this session could be better spent reading and backing up our own knowledge and claims.

Of course, I don't know about Army pilots squeezing up front, but Navy ones sure can!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Don't worry, just a little friendly comment from a flyin' sailor.

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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:51 pm

The FA asked me if I would like to visit the cockpit when he saw me taking a pic of the cabin. The FO allowed it.
 
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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:04 pm

how about:
the final decision for admission to the flight deck rests with the commander?
(not in all countries i admit)


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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:06 pm

IMHO the Captain is the final authority onboard the aircraft.
He/she can overrule the company policies/regulations at his/her discretion.

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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:08 am

I concur with what UTA says.

I flew an Irish based airline a few days ago, and asked for a cockpit visit. The captain allowed it inflight, although it is against Irish regulations...

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RE: Photos From The Flight Deck Post 911

Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:18 pm


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This was taken during a groundstop at EWR. We were sitting on the taxiway, so it's a little different than before/after flight. I guess the captain didn't care much about the regulations, which is fine with me.  Smile

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