gharv
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New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:20 am

Hi, I see from searching thru alot of the topics posted that people are always asking which lens to get etc...
well guess what I cant think of anything orig, and unfortunately will have to ask that very question.
Have only got a standard canon eos 300 with a 4-5.6 75-300m usm lll + a 28-90mm lens as well. There ok but as people often mention on here a good lens certainly makes a difference (as well as a camera!!).
Im no pro and not looking for overnight miracles, but would certainly like to try and take the photography a step further...
Looking to get maybe the 300d later this year, but as funds are limited to a point, thought about getting a good lens first so can still use with 300 body, and then later replace the body ..

Have the canon 75-300 4-5.6 300m IS, in mind (but is it too similar to the lens I have got), and also seen good reports about the Canon 70-200 f4 L lens.. more costly but dont mind spending the money, but would prefer the flexibility of a 300mm lens.
Would the later lens make much of a difference on such a lesser body?

Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks..
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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:33 am

Hi Gareth and welcome to the forum! Big grin

My first question back to you would be what is it about your existing lenses that you don't like? I have the 28-80 by Canon and the same 75-300 and have just bought into a Sigma 170-500. This was purchased as I am after the extra range, which judging by your quoted lenses isn't the issue.

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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:54 am

To borrow from JFK, don't ask what a news lens can do for you, but what can you do with a new lens.

IMHO, the only reason to spend your hard-earned on more equipment is when you repeatedly miss shots with what you have. For example, if you repeatedly miss shots because you 'only' have a 300mm, then you can probably justify investing in a 500mm. If you just buy a 170-500mm because you 'think' you need it, you'll end up using it for one or two shots in every 100 (and probably then only at 300-400mm.)

I'll give you an example from my own experience. I was at Sharjah with my trusty F65 (old fashioned film camera) and lenses. I was shooting ramp shots with the 28-80mm and I missed any number of potentially good shots of planes on the taxiway and runway because I couldn't change lenses quickly enough. Solution - purchase a second F65 so I can have both 28-80mm and 70-300mm ready to go.

When I go to Sharjah again next weekend, I'll be ready Big grin
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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:07 am

The camera is simple a box which links the film or sensor to the lens. As long as the film is flat and parallel to the lens (sort of a minimal requirement for any camera!) then the camera has no direct bearing on the quality of the image. The lens and recording media are the key elements. So yes, even on your current camera, you will see sharper results and improved contrast using the 70-200 f4. Of course this assumes you use quality film - little point in buying expensive glass and cheapo generic negative film.

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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:25 am

Thks for the welcome,
my existing lens are ok (maybe being abit too harsh on them) but i guess im after more sharpness and detail. Its easy to get carried away with looking at all the shots on this site.
The 300mm would probably be my range limit, so really looking for the best lens in that particular bracket.

Colin advises that the 70-200f4 would see a difference providing the film is of similar standard. Could u suggest which film type would be good, and so would the orig body suffice with such lens..

Trying to iron out all theses questions..
thks again
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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:48 am

Don't buy the 75-300 IS, it probably won't make too much of a difference compared to your current 75-300. The 70-200 F4 is very nice, also you get your 300+ mm you want when you get a 300D.

And YES, an L lens will make a remendous difference keeping in mind what Colin said. Once you go L you just can't go back, ever!

Keep in mind that when you browse Ebay you can run into some amazing secondhand deals.

Tim

P.S. You might wanna replace the 28-90 in the future as well, don't be offended but that is probably one of the worst lenses canon has to offer.
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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:16 am

Hey, dont badger my little silver paperweight! (Although it doesnt have any weight  Big grin)

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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:31 am

Thks, tim
making head way already.
defiantly leaning towards a 'L' lens. have had a look on ebay...nice prices!
Any views on the canon EF 300mm F4 L usm lens?
due not too sure whether to go for the 200mm f4 L with a 1.4xconverter as have read a few good reviews on this lens.
and yeah will replace the 28-90..Eventually.
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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 6:24 am

Well if you're looking for the best at 300mm, you have 2 choices ... the 300mm f4LIS or the 300mm f2.8LIS. I suspect the latter is out of your range. But I use the 300mm f4 and can highly recommend it. Certainly my favorite Canon lens (and I've owned the 100-400, 70-200f4 and currently have the 70-200f2.8) besides being optically superb at any aperture, it just handles perfectly and can take convertors with no significant quality loss.

This is a very sharp lens - you'll need to complement it with either fine grain negative film (like Reala) or the better low speed slide films (K64, Provia, or slightly les good Sensia 100).

Cheers,

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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:50 am

Is this lens easy to carry around whilst at airports.
as i dont have a tripod?
 
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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:52 am

Its handholdable, due to its IS. You wont have to worry about shaking. And its pretty normal size. Comparable to the 70-200 I guess

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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:57 am

What about the difference between the IS and nonIS version?
I remember reading somewhere the IS version was optically inferior??

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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:59 am

Yup I read that everywhere as well. But with my intended use of it, IS is really usefull. I dont want to go around using a monopod all the time

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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 8:00 am

Well its heavier than the 75-300, but not uncomfortable - it balances well in the hand, and as Weitse says, the dual mode IS is very effective. You can easily handhold this at 1/60th, and with practice 1/30 or even 1/15 are quite feasible.

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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 8:26 am

Ok, definitely think an L lens is worth the investment.
Going to be pushing the budget now.
One last thing, as i mentioned before i was looking orig for the aprox 300mm zoom mark.
Given that the 70-200 EF LF USM seems to get such a good review, coupled with a 1.4x conv, against the 300m f4LIS, which would u go for?
The zoom ranges are different, but just looking for the best combo (quality+price)
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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 8:45 am

It doesnt make sense to go for the Canon 70-200mm F/4L with a 1.4x converter.. It only gives you an extra, what, 80mm on the top end? I have this lens, and its great. I wouldnt waste money for only an extra 80mm however.
 
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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 9:38 am

Trade off time ... there's no doubt that the 300mm f4 is better than the 70-200 +1.4 ... plus of course you don't get IS with the 70-200.

On the other hand, there is no question that if you only have one lens to use, the 70-200 gives you more flexibility. I suspect once you've tried the L glass, you won't want to use your 28-90 if you can avoid it  Smile

Speaking personally, I would take the long view and go for the best lens I can get now, which IMHO would be the 300mm, and build the collection as time allows. This lens is definitely a keeper, and you won't be replacing it for a long time.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: New Lens But Which? Yes Original

Wed Jan 28, 2004 9:57 am

Tricky, personally i think the 70-200 f4L and 1.4 would give me more flexibility and be within my budget.
i may be wrong?

sounds daft but the 300 f4 is that a fixed length? or 100-300 etc...cant find too much info, except thats it alot more expensive
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