gharv
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Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:00 pm

Hi, considering buying this lens, with also the plan of getting an ef 1.4 extender.
I appreciate that this has been talked about before on this site, but just looking for upto date/fresh reviews on this lens to make up my mind.
Its a nice L lens (which i want) and coupled with the extender fits into my budget.
Not planning to use a tripod and understand its light enough to carry around.
Could someone give me an idea if a different range is avail when also coupled to the 300d (with and without extender)which i also plan to get.
anything out their would be grateful.
Thks


 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:26 pm

All of my 300D shots uploaded to this site, have been taken with this lens. I love it. This lens has very high ratings, even higher than the f2.8 IS version. It is very well built (L). I highly recommend the lens. I know the AF is still functional with the 1.4x converter.

http://www.photographyreview.com/PRD_84503_3128crx.aspx#reviews

35mm Zoom
Canon
EF 70-200mm f4L USM
92 Reviews,
4.91 of 5 Rating

35mm Zoom
Canon
EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM
34 Reviews,
4.68 of 5 Rating



 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:39 pm

All,
I just found this particular review for this lens. this person says... "On a 10D, Digital Rebel, D30 or D60, this lens operates as a 110-320 telephoto, plenty enough for most sports.

What does he mean by this lens operates as a 110-320 telephoto on the 10D,300D,D30 or D60? The lens is a 70-200mm... Thats why I am not getting the 110-320.. Can someone explain?


Reviewed by: jazzcaster, Expert

Price Paid: $650 at B&H Photo

Photography Experience:
11-20 years, Sports

Summary:
I used this lens to photograph triathlons and soccer. I have never used a zoom lens that produces sharper images. I have replaced this lens with a Canon EF 70-200 2.8L IS USM and the image quality is pretty much the same. If are looking for a zoom in this telephoto range, and don't need a 2.8 aperture, then look no further. This lens is significantly lighter than its 2.8 big brother. Focusing is so fast and silent that if your camera doesn't confirm the focus with a beep, it will sometimes seem that the lens didn't do anything while the image on your view finder came into focus. On a 10D, Digital Rebel, D30 or D60, this lens operates as a 110-320 telephoto, plenty enough for most sports.

Strengths:
Image quality, size, low weight compared to Canon's 2.8 version of the same lens.

Weaknesses:
Lack of tripod collar, especially when used with digital cameras with 1.6 multiplication factor. If you use the tripod collar with an Elan 7E, D60 or 10D with an attached battery pack, it won't fit on some quick release tripod mounts unless you mount it backwards.

Similar Products Used:
Canon EF 70-200 2.8L IS USM
Tamron 100-400 5.6
Sigma 135-400 4.5-5.6 Aspherical APO

Customer Service:
Never used for this lens, but had good experience getting repairs to a G2 and 550EX that I dropped.

 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:03 pm

Crop factor. What he means is that when used with a Canon DSLR sensor which crops the image created by the lens by 1.6x, the 70-200 will provide the same angle of view as a 110-320mm on a 35mm film SLR. The resulting image is excatly the same as if you took a normal 35mm shot and cropped the central portion in Photoshop.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:56 pm

Thanks Colin. As always.

Chad
 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:28 am

Sorry colin, just to clarify, if the lens used on a DSLR it would give a zoom
range of 110-320mm ?
 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:29 am

The accurate thing to say is that it will result in an image with the same angle of view as a 110-320mm - there are some subtle differences, but, yes in effect you will get a zoom range of 110-320mm on a D60/10D/300D.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:37 am

Hey,

I've been using the 70-200L f/4 lens since August 2003, I can only recommend it. The lens is very nice to deal with, quality is great and the light weight is another added benefit.

Take a look at my photos, most of them are taken with the 1.4x converter sticked on and using a 10D body.

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=Timothy%20Feise&distinct_entry=true

Cheers,
Tim
 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:04 am

Highly recommended! Hope this will help.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L USM Review:
http://emedia.leeward.hawaii.edu/frary/canon_ef70-200usm.htm
Good review from pro photographer with complete details,some photo,example and advice.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=14&sort=7&thecat=27
Rating: 4.9

Price: $579.95 @ Adorama. Shipping: international
Out of stock @ Bhphotovideo.com
http://www.adorama.com/refby.tpl?refby=pgrabl&sku=CA702004AFU&st=NA

Regards
Fairizuan
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:26 am

Colin, so, what will a 100-400mm effectively give me as far as range used on the 300D (as well as the D60,D30,10D)?

Thanks..
 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:11 pm

160-640mm. Just multiply the focal length by the crop factor. The 300D and 10D (also D60+30?) have a crop factor of 1.6. Other cameras have less and some more, like 1.0 (Canon 1Ds) and 2.0 (Olympus E-1).
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:30 pm

WOW...

Is this just with Canon lenses? My uncle has a 300D, with the Sigma 170-500mm... Just curious. That is awesome. Thanks for the help.

Chad
 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:39 pm

No Chad, crop factor is just that. A reduction in the size of the sensor from a full 35mm film frame. Each manufacturer has their own reduction.

And to make it clear, .. Optically, you get no increase in focal length. Your 70-200, still only captures 70-200, you just get less of the frame.
 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:41 pm

Yea its nice having a "maximum" of 800mm. No, it is not just with Canon lenses. The Nikon D100, for example has a c.f. of 1.5. Most DSLRs except for the high end 1Ds (1x) do have c.f.s. It's determined by the sensor size.
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:47 pm

It sounds great to have a long focal length but the difference between 400mm and 500mm is only 1 degree. That compared to 70-200mm (around a 23 degress difference) is, to me at least negligible (in terms of aviation photography).
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:49 pm

Thanks Colin and Ryan for this in depth info.  Big thumbs up


Chad
 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:27 am

Although i have not used the 70-200F4L for aviation pics yet, i ahve used it for motorsport and wildlife with and without the 1.4xtc! IT is a great lens and one i am very proud to use, anyone considering this lens should buy it and not look back!!!

Chris
5D2/7D/1D2(soon to be a 1Dx) 17-40L/24-105L/70-200F2.8L/100-400L/24F1.4LII/50F1.2L/85F1.2LII
 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:01 am

After reading all of the reviews, I wonder if this lens is for me. I just bought a Digital Rebel and the 75-300mm IS USM, but I've noticed it is not very fast at focusing. I was playing with a Canon 1 DS the other day at the local camera shop, and it had a L lens on it, and the focus speed was incredible. Would the lens you are discussing (70-200 L)have a faster focus than my 75-300 IS USM? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm new to SLR photography!

Thanks!
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:06 pm

It would most likely be faster, however, how much is another question. I have a 70-200/2.8 IS which is VERY fast. If you want something with speed, I would go for that!
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:15 pm

Its all about how much you want to spend. The Canon 70-200mm F/4 L is way less than the 2.8 IS and has better overall ratings. I think its only common sense to go with the lens that is better and less expensive. If you are going to be shooting in low light consistantly, then go with the 2.8 IS
 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:40 pm

Those ratings you refer to Chad...I would imagine the 70-200/4 would have a higher "rating" due to the fact that it is more affordable and can be rated by more people. There are no lenses (zoom) to even compete with the 70-200/2.8L IS and think about it, what would you rather have, that or the f/4 version? If you are sticking to aviation photography and you only go out once in a while when it is sunny, etc., etc., the 70-200/4 would suit you perfectly. If you like shooting under all conditions a lot and have a "need for speed", the 70-200/2.8 is for you. Also, if weight is factor for you, the 70-200/4 is much lighter.

Ryan Kaskel - MIA
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:58 pm

Ryan..


I am buying the 100-400mm L IS in a week or so. I know what IS does. I know what I would rather have. I am just going off of the rankings. I read the comments, and some people said that the only difference is that after "UPGRADING" to the 2.8 L IS, is that they could shoot in lower light. They also said that there is no noticeable difference as far as the sharpness, and some people even said the F/4 L was sharper. Its less heavy than the 2.8 L IS.

It seems like this lens will fit into his budget also. At least thats what he said in the original post. It works well for me. Though, I do not shoot every aircraft that I see either, so, maybe the 2.8 will last longer?  Big grin


I recommend F/4L.

[Edited 2004-02-04 04:59:54]
 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Wed Feb 04, 2004 1:04 pm

I can assure you...I do not shoot every aircraft I see! Unless I am visiting an airport other than MIA.
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Wed Feb 04, 2004 1:31 pm

GHARV,
You will not be dissapointed in the Canon Ef70-200 F4 L. Great lens, great price. Its not a "good for the price" lens, like the Sigma 170-500mm. Its a good lens PERIOD.
 
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:28 pm

Just made a note that the price of this lens has gone down by about 100 € here in Europe (or at least in the German online shops) during the last one month or so. Ordered mine and should get it in about two weeks.

Anyone having a guess what's the reason for lowering the price? Haven't heard of any replacements...

-Joge
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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:12 pm

Canon has dumped prices on their high end lenses during the last year. I think it's mainly due to increased sales. Even in Sweden we are now seing prices getting closer and closer to the German ones.

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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:19 pm

with the us dollar being so crap, a search on ebay found a shop in america selling this lens for $569.95. in pounds that is £297, which is quite a bargain, even if u have to pay some import duty when it arrives.

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RE: Canon Ef70-200 F4 L

Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:12 am

I'm actually getting mine for less than 500 euros. New.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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