Bluewave 707
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FAA Law

Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:20 am

I posted this info originally on the "HNL Rarities ..." thread in civil aviation. Please take note of the 1st paragraph:


I just got off the phone with the HNL Manager's office. The operator there said it is AGAINST the law to take any photo of any aircraft on airport property, EVEN from the terminal. So beware & be careful. I called back to verify if it was an airport rule, or state law. The operator said that it is an FAA law at any airport. I will do further research with the state DOT and FAA websites, and let you all know the results.

I saw a guy get stopped by Akal (truck #39 - same guy that stopped me two years back) taking a pic of an HA 763 taxiing back to the gate from 8R, due to an engine bleed warning light. When I saw the truck, I walked back to my car and left. I'm already on record with Akal. Felt sorry for the guy, but ...

Okay, this is my 2¢ about this ... taking pix from the terminal ... there should be gigantic signs around the terminals and gates warning us of this "law-breaking activity". What the heck! Who doesn't take a photo of the plane they are going to ride on. I have never been stopped, nor have I seen anyone get stopped by law enforcement (or facsimile of) taking a pic from the terminal or gate. Seems like paranoia to me. I can understand around the perimeter, but come on there has got to be some common sense applied here.
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2912n
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RE: FAA Law

Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:39 am

You were talking to an operator who is obviously clueless. There is no law that prohibits photography of civil aircraft in public. The only regulations against photography in/around civil airports in the US is the prohibition against taking photos of security check points.

 
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RE: FAA Law

Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:53 am

Checked the FAA site, and under Part 107

"Persons loitering for extended periods in the vicinity of parked aircraft, or in air operations areas."

Gee, I guess that covers us spotters(???).
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2912n
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RE: FAA Law

Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:09 pm

You want to provide a direct link? I can't find it on the FAA site.

I think they are referring to potential threats that operators and airfield personell should be aware of. Just a common sense warning that applied even before 9-11. (the number of aircraft thefts etc...not to mention cargo theft..)

This has been beaten up time and again on this board and others.
 
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RE: FAA Law

Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:07 pm

I couldn't find it in Part 107; what section did you find it in?

For all the people in the airports claiming that it's illegal to take pictures at the airport, it would be nice if somebody could cite a specific law. We do still live by the "rule of law", don't we?
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RE: FAA Law

Fri Feb 06, 2004 3:07 am

It's found in the airport section, in the security directive.
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ExitRow
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RE: FAA Law

Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:49 am

Can you PLEASE post a direct link? The FAA wbsite is about as user-friendly as a bucket of broken glass.
 
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RE: FAA Law

Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:25 am

Hey ExitRow,

What's up? It is long time that did not hear from you and how are you doing? I am doing good. I just got everything went well for me. Since, that I am no longer live in FLL anymore and we are already moving to PHX from last year of November 15, 2003. So what are you think about of me? Thanks!  Smile

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RE: FAA Law

Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:29 am

I think I found the page Bluewave refers to...As I stated above, this is just information on what to look for and what to be suspicious of...

http://www1.faa.gov/arp/alerts/security.cfm

It does NOT state that photography or spotting is illegal. But it suggests that if you see something suspicious, and it gives examples of what could be suspicious, you contact authorities.

 
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RE: FAA Law

Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:16 pm

Yeah2912n is right but that means us too. We Can watch for suspiscious things too. like what it said instead of the suspicious person.  Laugh out loud
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RE: FAA Law

Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:15 pm

This would be from the same FAA that when they mentioned things to look for in a suspected drug running aircraft, mentioned every single possible mod that alaskan bush pilots do to their supercubs.
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2912n
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RE: FAA Law

Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:20 am

But how many Alaskan bush pilots are running dope up there? Not much drug traffic coming from the Siberian steppes...

Granted 99% of the population does not have common sense, but the expectation is that you apply common sense to the warnings noted. Don't call because you see thousands of people loitering around an airport when there is a sign that says, "Airshow"....

Ya think one of those bush mods might look just a bit out of place in South Florida or along the Mexican border?
 
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RE: FAA Law

Sat Feb 07, 2004 6:41 am

As far as any law that is out there, I think that the TSA has answered this. I highly suggest printing this column out so that if you ever are told there's a law, you can kindly give them this answer...

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/columnist/troubleshooter/troubleshooter18.htm

Hope the link works, if not, email me and I'll get it to you
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RE: FAA Law

Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:39 pm

The TSA spokesperson, Lauren Stover, quoted in the article used to work at MIA as Associate Director for Public Affairs until the TSA was formed and she jumped ship.

She is quite familiar with all the photogs who come to shoot at MIA in the winter and other photogs who shoot year round. It's lucky that the columnist happened to connect with her instead of someone else at TSA who was totally unfamiliar with our passion.

I disagree with the columnist advising folks to ask the gate ticket agent if it's okay to shoot out the windows. That's just asking for a stupid answer. You're on public property shooting aircraft on public property.

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