ua935
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New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Mon Feb 23, 2004 5:55 am

Hello,

This is my first post on Airliners.net and I am after some advice.

I currently use a Canon EOS 5 and a Fuji Finepix S5000.

I am looking to trade in the above and purchase either an EOS 10D or a 300D.

From what I am told the internals of the cameras are identical but I would like some views from users of the equipment, has anyone used both models? Which is better?

Is the EOS 10D likely to be replaced in the near future?

Which should I go for?

Links to photos taken with the above?

Thanks for your help.

Simon.
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wietse
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:02 am

They are not identical on the inside. The imaging sensor is the same, but the 10D has far more advanced features and options. One notable difference is the AF, the 10D reigns supreme in that aspect.

Wietse
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:05 am

The 300D and 10D have the same insides, but some functions on the 300D are limited. Externally the 10D has a more solid body and the command screen is on the top with view screen on the back. The 330D has everything on the back. The 10D has the Canon dial on the back to page through functions while the 300D uses arrow keys.

Some people really don't like the "cheap" appearance of the 300D and it's light weight and fear damage to it. (Having used a film Rebel that has the same type of build I think the fears are not warranted. I am hard on my cameras and the Rebel got beat up but still hangs in there with no serious dings.)

The 10D currently has no replacement in the offing. Certainly it will be replaced, but by looking at the photo news areas, not this year.

Either camera is a good buy. If money is an issue go with the 300D. If you can pop for the extra couple of hundred, go with the 10D. Both very good cameras that will meet your needs.

10D samples (but remember everything has been post processed and edited to meet anet standards.)

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Do a search for 300D or Digital Rebel for other samples.

Cheers, Tony
 
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:34 am

I was seriously considering the 10D. I opted for the 300D and I am very happy with it. It is very light weight. With the Canon 100-400mm L IS, feels kind of awkward, but, Ill get used to it. I am not one to carelessly bang my camera around (accidents do happen I know), so I didnt really care about the body being made of plastic. I feel it is well put together. Just my opinion though.
Good luck in trying to decide.

Chad

 
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:47 am

Think along the lines of film cameras.

10D = EOS-33

300D = EOS-300

Check the Canon website for the specs to see what the 300D is missing in terms of functionality. Perhaps these other functions are more important in other areas of photography - for example, functions like mirror lockup and rear curtain flash sync would not be much use if all you wanted to do was take photos of aircraft in daylight.

regards,
Craig.
 
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:34 am

Hi! First of all - welcome to the forums!

I bought my Canon 300D about 1 month ago - after all - I'm very happy with it. I got used to its features very quickly.

Another (big) difference between these 2 is:

Canon 300D is less expensive! If you have enough money, go for the 10D, but the 300D is a very very good camera! If you want to wait a few weeks, Nikon will launch its D70 programme. Should be same standard than the 300D.

Oh BTW, here are some Canon 300D shots  Big thumbs up


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Very good shots IMO  Laugh out loud

regards. Florian
 
ua935
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:21 am

What are your thoughts on a second hand D60?
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:21 am

Does anyone think that the 300D is worth the money or is it a waste of $1400 (with 2 lenses)?

For a whole $800 i can get the 10D.
Also, if there an Autofocus problem with the 300D or is is like any regular SLR camera. I ahve a Minolta 5000i SLR which autofocuses like a beauty. Would the D300 be on an equal or above level?

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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:43 am

I hardly think people could describe a 300D as a waste of money! It's like a 10D on a diet  Smile/happy/getting dizzy If you've never used the extra 10D features then you probably won't miss them on the 300D. If you've maybe come from one of the higher end film SLRs to a 300D you may miss some features and be better off with a 10D. As far as image output goes, they both produce stunning pictures with the right lenses and photographer. Look at Florian's excellent pictures above - a DSLR costing less than $1000 (USD) and producing pictures like that isn't a waste of money in my opinion.

If you can afford a 10D with no problem and need the extra features then go for it - it's still the superior camera through level of control and better AF performance (although I find the AF on the 300D excellent.......although I've never used a 10D so can't compare). If you aren't made of money, then don't hesitate to look at the 300D (or new Nikon D70) as a viable alternative - it's not just some cheap DSLR wannabe!
 
ua935
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:09 am

Where is it that you are able to get the 10D for $800 from? Do they do mail order?
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:13 am

Think of it that the extra features on the 10D may become useful one day as you get better or learn new stuff in photography.

I for one never even looked at the 300D when it came out just when I decided to buy my 10D. I plan on keeping the body for quite a number of years to come and definitely find the extra features on the 10D useful.
 
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:19 am

--- Look at Florian's excellent pictures above...

Hell yeah, that's what I want to hear  Big thumbs up

I don't think the 300D is waste of money, it is producing excellent shots, but if you have 300-400 USD more, go for the 10D!

I did not have a large budget because I decided to get 2 new lenses, so I chose the 300D, I did not make any bad experiences with the 300D yet.

BTW: Yes, where do you get a 10D for $800 ????  Insane

regards, Florian
 
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:33 am

Likewise....I'd love to know where you can get a 10D for $800, but I suspect he meant $800 more than the 300D?? Over here the difference (body only) between the 10D and 300D is about GBP 400, which equates to about $720 at the moment, so that could be what he meant! I don't know if the difference is that big in the US or Canada though - things aren't as cheap here!

It's true Florian......they really are lovely pictures! INN looks so cool!

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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:33 am

I'd like to know the chap 10Dplace too... someone mentioned that the Nikon D70 is coming out at the same price (??) as the 300D... Will it be better and more options or is the 300D the preferred one?

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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:30 am

Beware of these magazine ads that say "Blowout! Canon 10D for $809!!! Nikon D100 for $799!!!". These are GREY MARKET cameras, and do not come with serial numbers OR warranties. I know this because I was going to jump on a $809 Canon 10D deal, but after finding that out, I took Sven DeBevere's advice - get a "decent" camera, and get the very best glass (lenses) that you can afford. Don't waste a thousand bucks on something that may work fine for a week or two, and then die - then you've blown your money.

After learning all of that, I bought a 300D, and I have ZERO regrets. The 300D is an amazing camera, and will do everything I want and then some. Maybe someday if I go professional I'll put my 300D on E-Bay, and pay the difference to upgrade to a 10D. At this point I don't see a need for that!

Go for the 300D!

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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:20 pm

Martinair-

The Nikon N70 BODY ONLY will be the same price as the 300D WITH the 18-55 lens. So they're not exactly the same price!

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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Sat Feb 28, 2004 3:57 pm

I heard Nikon's are Canon's redheaded step childs.  Big grin
 
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Sat Feb 28, 2004 11:26 pm

Or if you "REALLY" want to blow your wad of $$$$$, wait until the new model of Canon EOS comes out in April. The Canon EOS 1D Mark II !!
It is only going to be about $4500.00. It will shoot 8fps and it is going to have 8 megapixels !! That is the one for me  Smile !!

Jay
 
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:20 am

Canon just limited a number of functions to distinguish with 10D. The hardware(e.g. memory buffer chip) in 300D is almost the same with 10D. I believe Canon will release new firmware to "release" the functions that are banned to make the camera a lot powerful (probably same as 10D?) to combat with Nikon D70.
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ua935
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:18 am

Is the Autofocus the same on both the 10D and the 300D?
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ua935
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:53 am

Florian,

What lenses do you use?

Your photos are stunning, I particularly like the Lauda 737NG.

P.S. I got my first photo accepted today after a number of rejections, I am very happy:D

Regards Simon.

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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Tue Mar 02, 2004 7:59 am

Simon-

Don't be shy, PLUG it!!!


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That's what the 300D can do in low light, with fog! Awesome camera!!!

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ua935
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Tue Mar 02, 2004 5:23 pm

Hey Drew,

What Lens do you use?

Regards Simon.
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:25 pm

Simon-

Believe it or not - that photo was taken with the 18-55mm lens that came with the Canon Digital Rebel (300D)! I use UV filters to protect the glass, but other than that - that's right out of the camera. I did adjust the lighting a bit in PhotoShop, but I did not colorwash it - that's pretty much how it came out of the CF card.

I also have the Canon 70-300 IS USM lens, and I'm quite happy with it. These images came from that lens:

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I looked at the 200mm 2.8 L lens at the camera shop yesterday, and even though I'm sure it takes GREAT photos, I doubt I can get spousal approval for another $2000 purchase. For now I'm happy with these two lenses, but an L is on my wish list!

Hope this helps!

Drew
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:50 am

Hi Simon!

I'm using a Canon EF-S 18-55mm


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and a Tamron 70-300mm lens. I can highly recommend it! An amazing lens!


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Enough plugs for now...  Laugh out loud

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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:02 am

UA935,

I notice you use a Canon EOS-5 at present. If you really use that camera and the functions that it offers, I believe that you're going to find that the 300D is a step backwards in terms of performance and facilities. If you want something much more aligned with the performance of your 5, go for the 10D.

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ua935
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Wed Mar 03, 2004 2:11 am

Hi Andy,

Thanks for your post, could I ask what equipment do you use?

I am pretty much set on the 10D now.

I am off to Tokyo in June and am thinking of purchasing the camera here to get some practice in and then whilst in Tokyo purchasing the Canon 100 - 400 IS L.

Thanks for your help.

Regards Simon.
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:40 am

Simin,

D60 with 100-400L-IS. If I had my time again, I'd go 10D (I was a long term EOS-5 user too) but of course the 10D wasn't available when I bought the D60. The D60 is not really quite up to what the EOS-5 could do, but the 10D is nearer - again in terms of AF performance, metering modes, etc, etc I think you'll find the 10D much closer to your EOS-5 than the 300D.

Andy
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:44 pm

Is the EOS-300D autofocus' bad? I have heard a few negatives about it.....
Also that the images are slightly soft.
Is this true?

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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:12 pm

Martin, all images out of DSLR's are soft by nature. It is designed this way to provide the photographer more flexibility in post processing.

A proud and happy Nikon D100 user.... Smile
D70 looks incredible.
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RE: New Camera-EOS 10D Or 300D

Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:14 pm

Martinair-

No, the 300D's autofocus is not bad. I have looked into this, as I was wondering why my 75-300mm IS USM seemed to focus a bit slowly - it's because there's so little light at 5.6 aperature. I tried out the 2.8 L lens, and the focus was nearly instant. The lens has a LOT to do with it.

Also, the theory you mentioned of the 300D's images being slightly soft is also not true. In fact, it's been posted on this forum several times that if you set the 300D's sharpness to -2, it's equivelant to the 10D's -0- setting. I've taken a few shots in large JPG mode, and the sharpness is incredible. Unfortunately you can't really keep that much detail in a shot that has to be 1024 pixels wide, so you lose a LOT of detail when you resize for upload. But I've got some 3072 x 2048 images of the 727 that were shot from in front of the nose, and you can virtually count the rivets on the TAIL. After moving up from a 4 megapixel point-and-shoot, the sharpness of the 300D is amazing to me.

Check the sharpness of the 300D (Canon Digital Rebel) in these photos:

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As Tim mentions, sometimes the images out of the 300D are so good, there is no need for post-processing!

Hope this helps!

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