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A Little Bit Disappointed...

Sat Feb 28, 2004 7:20 am

I started taking aviation photos a little over a year ago

My rejection rate must be some 95%. An example:

I uploaded a few photos about three weeks ago (some 6.000 photos were in the queue before mine) and after only 7-8 days received an encouraging email from a screener that rejected all my photos:

"FANTASTIC SHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - can you USM sharpen with a lower radius "

I thought sure, why not, I USM sharpened with a lower radius,and re-uploaded (some 8245 pictures were ahead of mine in the queue). I only waited about 2 weeks and got this:

"Badblurry, The image quality of these photos is low, etc... If you think you have been able to improve the quality of the photos, please re-upload them etc..."

Well, looks as though I can't use the unsharp mask in Photoshop, no worries, I have other photos, I'll upload them.
Meanwhile I'll see what other photos have been uploaded:

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Photo © Joe Corrigan
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Photo © Manuel Marin - IBERIAN SPOTTERS

These are both great photos and I applaud the photographers, they deserve the high viewcounts, they deserve to be at Airliner', but I don't think mine is much blurrier. Or is it?

Actually, I don't take any of this seriously and think the screeners are doing a great job. If anything, I'd like to see the above process happen in a day or two and not take a month.

So if you think a photo is worth getting into the db after a little retouching, could you appoint 1 screener to screen the re-uploads in a separate queue?

-Peter Fagerström-

[Edited 2004-02-27 23:29:43]
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RE: A Little Bit Disappointed...

Sat Feb 28, 2004 7:34 am

that photo is blurry, and in my view, a little too dark. It's obvious that the camera metered only the light from the panel and nothing else. How was it taken? Hand held? Tripod?
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RE: A Little Bit Disappointed...

Sat Feb 28, 2004 7:41 am

First - great shot, I like it.

I just sharpened your photo using USM 200%/0.5/00 and it seems to bring out the detail in the gauges etc.

When you re-uploaded the photo did you write in the comment box that it had been altered as suggested by first screener...? Not sure it would help but worth a try.

Best of luck and keep those cockpit shots coming.

If I could just get the afterburner working...
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RE: A Little Bit Disappointed...

Sat Feb 28, 2004 7:57 am

Hi Jeff (in Denver)

It is dark, but it was dark when I took it. I had to meter the instruments, otherwise they'd be overexposed. It's a 6 sec exposure and taken on a tripod.

But that's beside the point. What I'm suggesting is a second queue for shots that the screeners think will make the db after a little retouching. 1 screener could be appointed to be in charge of such a queue. And you wouldn't have to queue twice with the same picture.

Most of my shots deserve to be rejected, but I've just started this hobby...


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RE: A Little Bit Disappointed...

Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:00 am

Peter, there are a couple of things I would point out to you.

First off, a little bit of USM is needed, and this helps the sharpness. But unfortunately that isn't the only issue that IMHO resulted in the rejection.

The photo is basically boring. It is a mass of glowing lights and instruments without any frame of reference. By this I mean that the panel really isn't visible, nor the crew at work, nor any outside detail.

The two other photos you post as example shots by both Joe and Manuel tell a story. They show the crew at work, the instruments in the panel which you can clearly see. Also they show some detail outside the windows to frame and reference the photos. Your photo on the other hand is simply glowing dials floating in a basically black hole.

As I said, the difference isn't just sharpness, but story information conveyed. Yours is a good effort, but it needs just that bit more to make standards. Don't be discouraged, just keep plugging.

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RE: A Little Bit Disappointed...

Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:17 am

Steve, I tried the crew at work thing already, also the detail outside the windows thing:

That's why I tried the the floating glowing dials thing Smile

Next time I'll try something different. I'm not worried about my rejects, I'd just like a separate queue for nearly-approved shots.

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RE: A Little Bit Disappointed...

Sat Feb 28, 2004 12:19 pm

I think maybe you need to use a wider angle lens?
Most of the photos seem to get cutoff on one side.But nice shots anyway.


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