glennstewart
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Getting Info Right When Uploading

Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:54 pm

Hi All,

Just a quick note while screening...

Thanks to the majority of you for getting your info right. Most of you know your stuff and get aircraft types, registrations and serials spot on. Sometimes you get the info so right, you have me scratching my head as to how you got it (for the rare types).

I'd like to send out a message though to some of the other's who get their information a little out of kilter.

If you receive a rejection for bad info, please try to understand where the mistake is and correct it. If that rejection is the only one for a shot, it simply means the shot is absolutely fine and will be accepted if the information is corrected.

So to help some of you, some words of advice:


US Military registrations:
Easy to get wrong, generally always in format XX-XXXX and never specifically what you see on the fuselage. Look the reg up using:
http://users.rcn.com/jeremy.k/serialSearch.html
Search Airliners.net for that type. Try to get it right.
Know also that Boeing aircraft (e.g. 737BBJ) are not considered 737
s in the USAF, but instead usually have a C- designation. In this case, a C-40B.

Airport Overviews:
If displaying an airport from the window of an aircraft, and the aircraft is not visible DO NOT upload under that reg and type. Do not select window view category.
Instead mark the airline, aircraft type and generic type with just a dash (e.g. "-").

Manufacturer Serials (msn/cn):
Use common databases found on net to retrieve this info:
E.g. http://home.hccnet.nl/p.w.riool/
Try to upload Boeing's/DC's in format XXXXX/XXX

Get the type, right:
If uploading simply everyday airliner shots, you should know the difference between for example, a 777-200 and a 777-300. Try not to upload using 777...
If you can, get the specific type e.g. 747-438. (Typical Qantas 747-400)

Marginal shots are better with registrations:
Often marginal shots come down to database content. Do we have a shot of the registration or not?
If you marginal shot doesn't have a registration, we cannot assume either way. More than likely a marginal shot without a registration (depending completely on location/airline/age of shot), may be considered to be too common and hence not be accepted.
If a reg was included with some of these shots, they would have an additional advantage.

Hope this helps...


Kindest Regards,

Glenn



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glennstewart
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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:08 pm

Worth adding....

With digital cameras these days, you can always get correct dates.
I am seeing far too many "January 2004" shots instead of "January 25th 2004".

If you have a digital camera, I would recommend getting the ACDSee viewer. It can mass re-name shots using the template _#.
This means you'll never have to look inside the EXIF ever again to note date and time. You'll always have a unique name when uploading, and better still... when developing, you'll have the date on the back of the shot (if your developer prints names on the back).

My current naming is:

Qantas_747-438_VH-OJB_2003-01-31_14-58-24_1_SYD.jpg
When printed on the back of a shot, even if I can't see the reg, I know exactly what, where and when I took the shot.

ACDSee renames parts of it automatically for me  Smile

Glenn
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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:19 pm

What is EXIF?

We have ACDSee on the computer upstairs. I can use that program to change a filename the way you did in your example?

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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:51 pm

Another good point to add on the file names is use your initials, I usually add mine in the end. VirginA300600NRTjc.jpg etc etc.

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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:42 am

Kas,

EXIF is data stored with the photo you take.
This includes shutterspeed, aperture, Camera, date and more.
You can see this in Photoshop when you select File > File Info...
In Windows XP explorer click right on the file and select hmmm... don't know the English name, Properties (Eigenschappen) I guess.
 
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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Fri Mar 12, 2004 2:44 am

In case anyone didn't already know these, try G-INFO at http://www.caa.co.uk/srg/aircraft_register/ginfo/search.asp for UK registered aircraft information and http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/acmain.htm to search the FAA registry for a US registered aircraft info.
 
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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:12 am

Excellent Links Mike, Thanks! Adding them to my favourites right now!

To add to what's already been said (and I know it's painfully obvious Big grin ) but please make sure you use the huge database we have at our disposal... what's it called....erm... oh yeah! Airliners.net!  Wink/being sarcastic

Cheers!

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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:19 am

One word: Google Smile

Just type in the serial and you'd be surprised how much info is on there.

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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:42 am

EXIF is coding that is added to .jpeg and other file types by most digital cameras. .TIF files can hold EXIF info as well (or any data, I have heard, depending on how it is encoded). Many image manipulation programs, such as older versions of Photoshop will not re-write the EXIF data once the file has been re-written (ie if you edit a file in Photoshop and then save the file). I am not sure which versions of Photoshop discard the EXIF, but I know the Photoshop CS does not (although it can have troubles of its own where it adds some of its own data). It is amazing to see how much data is actually encoded in the EXIF when you get a program that can read it all out. I discovered (via a post at dpreview.com) that there is a way to see exactly how many times my 1D/1Ds cameras have written to the memory card- (as opposed to just looking at file names, which are only accurate up to 10,000 shots, and change if you use a different memory card or if you reset the counter). EXIF can be a great asset to the digital photographer if you know what to look for. EXIF read is a neat free little program that spits out all your EXIF info on files, and if you know what you are looking for, there is coded information for just about everything you can think of. The link is http://www.takenet.or.jp/~ryuuji/minisoft/exifread/english/

If anyone has a 1D or 1Ds and you want to know how to use this info on the number of shots you've taken, I can point you to the source of how I found this out!  Smile

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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:47 am

I agree with Glenn, the number of people with digital cameras that don't complete the proper date details is growing. I can understand for flight crew taking in flight cockpit shots because they may choose not to reveal who they are. But for general, run of the mill aircraft shots I firmly believe the shot should be rejected for "badlazy". Please note I am only refering to digital users as I wouldn't expect Johan, Frank, Joe, the De Groot's etc etc to remember the exact date of a slide taken in 1932 of a Tiger Moth taxiing at Unapalomablanca.......

 
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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:51 am

Dammit!  Angry  Angry

I've got that wretched song going around in my head now!  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:13 am

There are a number of reasons (that may not be obvious) why people may not wish to include an exact date on the images they upload here.

We should not assume it always a matter of being lazy.

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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:19 am

Tom is exactly right. It doesn't have anything to do with being lazy.
 
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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:35 am

A quick note from me regarding locations & categories.

Please use the drop down lists! I found 3 photos earlier at SXM where the photographer hadn't used the drop down lists and made up his own name for the location field, which meant it wasn't included in searches for photos at SXM. If the location you want isn't in the list, go to the Photo Index and see what other people ae using, remember to copy the name exactly, just a space missed out means that it's a different entry:
http://www.airliners.net/search/indexsearch.main

Categories - One of those SXM photos was an airport overview, yet wasn't included in the airport category. If you want those hits, please try to put it under the correct categories, it will help visitors find your photo.  Big thumbs up

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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:09 am

I agree with Tom and Royal regarding the date issue.
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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:10 am

I second Josh about using the drop down lists. They are made for the photographers, why not use them.

Exactly the same for aircraft types: I'm going through all ARJ's of Sabena/SN Brussels/..., and it is often amazing to see what some people invent!

The majority of the photographers does a good research, but the others can be irritating sometimes...

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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:06 pm

Hi All,

Above the template for the file rename in ACDSee didn't turn out due to the code being surrounded by less than and greater than characters.
Anyway... point was that I really find this feature handy.

It will change

DSC_1234.JPG
DSC_1235.JPG
DSC_1236.JPG

into

2003-03-12 15-46-23_1.jpg
2003-03-12 15-46-23_2.jpg
2003-03-12 15-46-23_3.jpg

(Yes, even handy for those people who hold down the shutter to capture three shots during the same second).

See: http://www.acdsystems.com/English/Products/ACDSee/index.htm

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Regards to dates:

Unless you have to hide a specific date (e.g. cockpit shots or ramp access where staff/crew may be held liable for whatever reason), then sure - provide the month and year.
Other than this, I don't think digital shooters have an excuse. EXIF's don't lie (unless you don't set the time or forget to change when going through time zones)

I agree with Craig with regards to slide shooters. Then again, the number of slide shooters who are also very precise when it comes to recording registrations when they're shot, are usually good at knowing excactly which date and which roll they used.
Slide shooters out there... if you can only provide your best estimate, then that's fine. But the closer you can get to the date, the better.

I was screening some shots the other night and went back into the database for that reg to compare. It was obvious to me at the time, that the JAL I as looking at must have been dated incorrectly. It pictured an old livery JAL shot January 2004 that had clearly (from other shots) been painted into new livery since late last year. Either the date was out, or the reg was.
Simple checking like this should be down to the photographer.

Glenn


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SYD-oldest International Airport?

Sat Mar 13, 2004 4:09 pm

Hey Glenn, where did you come up with your World's oldest International Airport thing on the bottom of your posts? According to a Sydney airport history site, it was declared to be an international airport in 1935 but doesn't mention actual international service being there at the time. Do you have better information on this?

If it was indeed 1935 then it was 8 years (October 28, 1927) after Pan Am started the first scheduled international service by a US airline with flights from Key West to Havana, Cuba. Wouldn't this make Key West and Havana the first international airports or not?

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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:43 am

Also try to use Auto Complete and choose green entries, and most specific if there are multiple etc.

747-4..
747-436
you choose 436

Also to mention
http://www.eucomairlines.de
A great resource on Tristars

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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Sun Mar 14, 2004 6:01 am

A great resource on Tristars and a website who likes to use photos without proper authorization from the photographers. I suggest to check it, maybe someone gets a surprise.

BTW, can someone translate this text please:

"Bei dieser Homepage handelt es sich um eine rein private Homepage, mit der ich keinerlei kommerzielle Interessen verfolge. Sämtliche hier zusammengestellten Informationen sind nach bestem Wissen zusammengetragen, erheben jedoch keinen Anspruch auf Vollständigkeit. Für die betreffenden Informationen übernehme ich keine Gewähr hinsichtlich ihrer Aktualität, Korrektheit, Vollständigkeit sowie Qualität. Soweit nicht besonders gekennzeichnet stammen die Texte, Fotos sowie Grafiken von mir und unterliegen damit meinem Copyright."

thanks
Luis

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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:00 am

Are you sure they didn't ask.

BTW.
You can check EXIF date info when you upload in Open file dialog if you hold mouse over thumbnail for a few seconds.
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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Sun Mar 14, 2004 11:28 pm

Yes, I'm sure, they had one of mine here:

http://www.eucomairlines.de/prodlist/msn241.html

now it's removed, but the webmaster doesn't know that he must ask permission first before using photos that doesn't belong to him.

Luis
 
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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Mon Mar 15, 2004 12:20 am

For info about constructionnumbers and types of aircraft? Look at http://www.airlinerlist.com and you will find the constructionnumber, the linenumber and the type addition in one view. You can also see the history of the aircraft you have on your photo.

Hope it helps

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RE: Getting Info Right When Uploading

Sat Mar 20, 2004 4:37 am

Don't know about the others, but if you are skipping out on work and your taking shots at the local airport, you really don't want someone who might fire you having proof that you were there, when you should have been at work. The same thing probably works with wives also.  Innocent

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