atomother
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Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:14 pm

I haven't had this happen in a good while, a reject!

747 shot from the tower at sunset... Any suggestions?

http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=N177UAfrontrange.JPG

and the rejection reason follows:
These photos appear to have been either overexposed (too bright) or
underexposed (too dark). This could be a scanning problem or a
problem with the original photos. Check your original photo, if
it appears to be correctly exposed then please change the settings
on your scanner or use a photo manipulating tool to adjust the brightness
of the photos. If the photo is a digital shot then you will probably be
unable to improve the shot to an acceptable standard.
If you think you have been able to improve the quality of the photos, please

re-upload them. Note that we are still very interested in having these
photos in our database, we only ask that you try to improve the quality
of the digital version of your photos.

Tim Samples
 
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RE: Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:21 pm

I like it Tim, it just may be a bit too "vast" for them. I personally can't see any exposure issues, but then I'm just a mere mortal.

By the way, you are one of the major reasons I bought a Canon Digital Rebel - I saw what you do with yours at DEN (and all over the world, for that matter), and decided it was time to put away my 4.1 megapixel point-and-shoot, and go hang with the BIG dogs! Your shots are amazing, keep up the great work. Thanks for inspiring us Tim!

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RE: Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:51 pm

Tim,

Nice shot. I think if you can lighten the fuselage a little it will make it in. How do I get a vistor's pass to come visit you?

v/r
Jeff
 
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RE: Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:08 pm

Tim

If it's any comfort, that photo now resides on my computer, as my desktop background. As Andrew said above, you are also one of the main reasons I am looking into the Digital Rebel. Also, thanks for giving me the dirt on shooting at Denver back in January. Your e-mail helped me out alot.

DLKAPA
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atomother
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RE: Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:59 pm

Thanks for the replies and generous comments guys...

Jeff, if you can get out here tonight and into the A-concourse somehow, I can get you up for a tour of the tower tonight. I am actually here at work till 03:30 tonight. From about midnight on I could use someone to keep me awake!

Also, how do I make the aircraft brighter without changing the rest of the photo? I will play around with it a bit more tomorrow, I just thought the rejection reason was a bit vague as to being "too bright or too dark" which is it?

Thanks again, Tim Samples
 
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RE: Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 2:21 pm

Tim,
nice shot. Also, thanks for all the tips you have given me.

 Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 2:53 pm

Thanks for the tour offer, but I can't get to concourse A legally..  Big grin

Try "dodging" the midtones of the fuselage to lighten it some.
 
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RE: Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 3:22 pm

Whoa, Tim is taking visitors to that tower? Tim, name the beer of your choice Big grin.

I like the shot, but like Jeff said, lighten up the fuselage, and try again. I've had a few shots I care about rejected, and I am thinking about reworking them. Hope to see you out there again,

Alex.
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RE: Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 3:59 pm

Tim,

I like the shot. It looks "moody", which is a good thing.

But to conform to what the reviewers are looking for, I took a couple of minutes to edit the photo myself.

I have no way to host it here - but if you'll send me your email address I will send the photo to you.

- Curt

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RE: Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:39 pm

Tim,
Time to move to Av mode and use exposure compensation! I rarely let the camera decide on exposure for United aircraft; especially when the aircraft is so small in the frame.

Hisham.
 
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RE: Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:30 pm

I've helped you in the past Tim but this time I'll be playing devil's advocate from a screener viewpoint so expect the worst....

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If I were to screen 500 shots of the current stuff coming through, then look at your shot, I would ask myself one question before even starting on rejecting for quality related reasons:

"What is the point of interest Tim is trying to capture in this shot?"

I see 100's of Airport Overviews in the queue every week. If quality is perfect, it will tend to come down to content to sway my decision.
* Are there any airport overviews of this airport?
* Does this airport overview contain enough of the airport?
* Are there any features of interest - skyline, large number of aircraft?
* Is there any unusual lighting?

Either something jumps out at you while screening it, or...
* Not enough of the airport - only taxiways
* Only a couple of aircraft (e.g. 4 or 5 - even worse, same airline)
* No skyline - even worse, no buildings at all

To be honest Tim... your airport overview (and I didn't screen it), would have not compared well with the other 100's I screen weekly.

I wouldn't have hestiated in rejecting bad motiv.
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But before rejecting bad motiv, most of the time, I would have give your shot a once over, to make sure that I covered all problems
(If you don't know the problem - you can't fix it right?)

1. Given this was probably better not being an airport overview, and you submitted information about the aircraft, this leads to "bad distance"
(HINT: Airport overviews are generally not focused on aircraft and hence should be uploaded with airline, aircraft type being "-" and no reg info)

2. Angle - not a rejection commonly used anymore unless it's clear. And on this shot, it's clear

3. Colour - not convinced about colour here. Probably not something I would have rejected for, but given I am playing devil's advocate - I'll mention it

4. Exposure - Hisham made a good point. I would have tried altering levels to increase brightness/contrast on the aircraft.


Certainly not your best shot, and personally one that I wouldn't have expected you to be surprised about.

Glenn
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RE: Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:47 pm

What you have there is a beautiful, emotive photograph. It's very 'quiet' - I can just imagine the crisp air, and how the turbines would sound oddly dulled. It may not be what a-net likes in it's aircraft pictures, but that's definitely no reason to be anything other than proud of it.
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atomother
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RE: Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:20 pm

Jeff, Alex, well its a bit after 3AM here and I am still here in the tower. Tonight would have really been the last night I could have done a tour as it is my last night watching over the hub. No more late nights for me from now on.

As for the photo, Glenn brought up a few points. I suppose it is a "tweener" as not quite an A.net type shot of the aircraft and not really an overview. I probably will not bother uploading it again. I thought it was a good photograph and even though it may have been, it is not a good photograph of the airplane. I never was or will be a "spotter" anyway, I'm more into the aviation photography aspect of it. No big deal, I was just confused by the reason for rejection and was wondering what others thought.

Thanks for all the input guys and I will keep shooting. I think I may have some good stuff from tonight which might be more fun to upload.

Thanks again, Tim Samples
 
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RE: Rejected...any Ideas?

Tue Mar 16, 2004 9:17 pm

Well Tim, for not being a spotter, you still take some great shots.
You certainly had the idea behind airport overviews when taking these shots:


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