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Screening Hapiness:-)

Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:30 pm

All

After the recent "long queue" thread (with all its negativity), I want to start a new positive thread where we can all share in some screening successes and enjoy airliners.net. I beg that nobody turns this around into a negative mood!

My example is this one. Simon Curtis recently got his first photo accepted, and it's already very popular and a photo he can be extremely proud of. When Simon first submitted the shot, it was rejected for "badgrainy". Simon reworked the shot and resubmitted it and has a brilliant result. As a screener, it makes me very happy because we are all winners:
  • Simon's respect is higher because his accepted photo is much higher quality;

  • The screeners are happy because their screening advice was taken seriously;

  • airliners.net is a winner because they get a fantastic shot in their database;

  • Our visitors are happy because they get to see a wonderful photo.


  • Please compare the rejected image:
    http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=SQ-747-400-9VSPL-31032004-SJC.jpg
    with the (re-worked) accepted image:

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    Photo © Simon Curtis


    Fot your information, Simon and I discussed this post, and he is happy to share the rejected image to illustrate the positive side of screening.

    I'd love to see some other examples of where you think the screening process has helped you, or the site, to be better.

    Now, keep it positive!

    Tamsin

    [Edited 2004-04-06 13:31:49]
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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:33 pm

    Simon completely dominated on that shot. Good work and nice to see the screening process working well.  Smile

    Good job all around!

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:42 pm

    The following shot was rejected before... But on the rejection, the screener (I don't who) encouraged me to work on it a bit more, as (s)he said it could be very popular shot in the database. I reworked it and yes, it came out much better.

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    Photo © Eduard Brantjes



    Of course I was a bit bummed with the rejection at first, but of course, the screeners managed to see more potential for improvement. Thank you screeners!
     Big thumbs up
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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:53 pm

    Hi all

    Nice thread starter by fellow screener Tamsin.

    With the hundreds of rejections per week, it would be great to comment on them all rather than send the standard rejection message. This will not happen and probably never will.

    Personally, if I feel an image is really nice but needs a tiny amount of re-work, I will comment to the photographer. As Tasmin says, if those comments are taken on board by the photographer, he/she re-works the image for the better, everyone is happy.

    Cheers

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:56 pm

    Hello,
    well there's this one photo which I posted quite often but just fits this topic so well that I'm going to post it again:

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    Photo © Alex Peter


    It was first rejected for badcameraangle. I reworked it because I thought this is one photo that has to be shared and the reworked version got accepted. Plus it is the first and only photo I have sold so far.  Laugh out loud

    Cheers
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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:59 pm

    Hi !

    I edited some photos a couple of days ago, and I uploaded this one:

    http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=040402_GOT_D-ABIY.jpg

    It got rejected for badscan.

    A little later I gave it another shot and reworked the whole photo. I worked a lot with the USM tool. Which payed me off.


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    Photo © Marcus Johnson



    I can clearly see the difference between the two of them.

    Last night I worked with another photo, it got rejected for baddark. Gave that one also another shot, this time working more with "Curves". When I woke up this morning it had been accepted. Great surprise for me.  Smile


    Regards,

    MerC


    PS. the link above screwed up when I used these, "<" ">".

    [Edited 2004-04-06 14:05:09]

    [Edited 2004-04-06 14:05:24]
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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:02 pm

    Tip: You sometimes need to go in and edit your post (after posting) to make the "<" ">" links work to the rejected images.

    Tamsin
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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:14 pm

    Yes it's always nice to see people are actually paying attention to why their photo was rejected. If everyone was like that the queue would go much much faster.

    I also had a rejection a while ago
    http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=IMG365phbfp.jpg

    Was rejected for badcolor and the screener was 100% correct. I reworked and voila
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    Photo © Tim de Groot



    Clearly the system works. Of course some shots can't be salvaged, but instead of moaning about it or constantly reuploading them, invest your time in improving your photo skills, or work more hours and buy a better camera Big grin

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 1:45 am

    I got this photo rejected for badmotiv, then I cloned away some of the distracting snowflakes in the foreground. Then it got accepted and is now my most popular photo Big grin
    http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=SAS_A330_SE-REF_3.jpg

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    Photo © Daniel & Robert Fall



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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:16 am

    Very interesting thread but I do wonder how much comes down to either the photographers or screeners personal eye/preferences in what looks correct? Many of my recent uploads were rejected for badsoft saying they needed an extra kick which I have done on the example below but to me it is way over sharpened - but if this is what is required and deemed correct I will have no choice but to sharpen at this level in future - it would be interesting to hear the screeners views on this before I submit my next batch

    Many thanks

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:32 am

    Derek

    I tend to agree that areas of that shot look oversharpened to me (but I haven't seen the rejected one so I can't comment on your rejection). I think one thing which catches out a lot of people is the requirement for "selective" sharpening. Often an image will be perfect in places, but soft in other places. As a screener, I see this time and time again on titles - often the titles are jaggy whilst the fuselage, windows, etc are soft. If this is the case, then the shot will often get a "badsoft" reject. When I'm having a good day, I try to add a "badpersonal" to point out which bits need sharpening more. Although having said that, I would expect that photographer should be able to tell that for themselves. Personally, I never apply the same sharpening settings to the entire image - usually apply a conservative sharpening to everything, then start to select areas and sharpen a little at a time. Low-contrast areas need more sharpening than high-contrast areas. That works for me, I rarely get "badsoft" or "badjaggy" rejections since I started doing it in this selective way.

    Good question Derek, but I hope we don't go off too far on this "sharpening" tangent, and can keep hearing people's sucess stories.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:59 am

    Derek, I could be wrong but your shot looks a little blurry to begin with.

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:34 am

    Hi all

    Derek, sorry, but have to agree with Tim on the Aer Lingus shot.

    Blurry to begin with and having my screeners hat on, would have rejected for this reason.

    Regards

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:49 am

    The EI 737 shot almost appears to have been heavily cropped (?)

    Derek will kill me if it hasnt Big grin but thats how it appears to me looking at its quality and particulaly the sky in comparison with Dereks other silky smooth images.

    Cheers

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:07 am

    I like your attitude Tamsin. Keep up the good work.
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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:47 am

    Hello all,
    As you probably have observed lately, I have had some differences in opinion with some screeners.
    But as Tamsin rightly points out, it's time to move ahead, forget past mistakes and concentrate on positive aspects.
    The new screeners have been very good in my opinion in the sense that they regularly take the time to use the "badpersonal" message to help fellow photographers and making them better.
    Not being on my computer right now, I can't show you the rejection, but I reworked the shot and here it is (amongst other accepted reworks) :

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    Photo © William Ronciere


    I am currently working on my LHR W/E shots and I will take into account what has been said on these forums and the personal rejection messages I got.
    With positive thinking on both sides everyone will be a winner in the end.

    UTA



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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:03 am

    "it's time to move ahead, forget past mistakes and concentrate on positive aspects"

    Very 'New' Labour

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:04 am

    I'd like to join in and say thanks to all of the screeners. While rejections can get discouraging at times, each rejected photo shows us a glimpse of what NOT to do. There is always a reason, and if we learn from it, our acceptance stats will go WAY up (too bad we can't track it, but anyway).

    I must admit, when I dropped $2,000 on a Canon Digital Rebel, lenses and everything to go with it, I was VERY disgusted to have my first batch of uploads rejected. Not even one made it into the database. That was two months ago.

    As the screener's standards went up - so did mine. Looking back at the rubbish I uploaded just makes me laugh - I feel I owe the screeners an apology for wasting their time by making them screen grainy, dark, soft photos. But again - I learned from it. Have a look at one of my disasters:
    http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=AUBERN752ATATL1.jpg
    UGH. What the HELL was I thinking. Insane

    Anyway, times have changed. I've figured out my camera. I've learned post processing. And most importantly - I am starting to learn what the screeners want to see. Last week I uploaded a batch of 24 shots, and 23 were accepted. The one that was rejected had a corner of a tug in the frame, I knew I should have removed it!!! I was thrilled to see 23 photos added.

    Thanks to everyone who has helped me out over the past year or so... Johan, the screeners, Maizinblu757, Tim Samples... the list goes on and on. Without the help of the Photography Forum and the good folks on this site, I'd still have no photos in the d/b.  Smokin cool


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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:04 am

    I have had major problems with my PC this last 24 hours (excuse excuses) so maybe it was me yesterday but I know looking at the EI 737 image I am not happy with it, so I intend to do it again and re upload and see if I can get it to look how I know it should

    All the best

    Derek



     
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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:08 am

    This one was rejected badsoft at first:


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    http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=184_8444.jpg

    And this one was badangle:


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    Photo © Wietse de Graaf - AirTeamImages



    http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=190_9053.jpg

    Thanks to the screeners they were corrected and accepted.
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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:11 am

    Wietse - AWESOME photos!!!
    I'd rather shoot BAD_MOTIVE
     
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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:21 am

    Thanks F-D  Smile

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:54 am

    A little editing goes a long way..........

    all i can say is that my rate for acceptance went up when i learned good editing techniques including color adjustment. I even got an older photo accepted which was not digital.

    The new photographers can definitely get frustrated trying to get their first shot(s) on the database though.

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:43 am

    I got this one rejected twice for badscan, but after some work it got accepted. It's really one of my favourite shoots!


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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:35 am

    this thread encouraged me to look through my rejections and to fix some of the pics which seemd basicly ok, but had "badangle", "badsize", etc.. - things, that could be fixed fairly easy.

    just reuploaded them and hopefully they will meet the standards of a.net  Smile

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:49 am

    Just out of curiosity, how often do you screeners write a message back to the photog telling them how to fix it? I've never received such a reply.

    When one of my photos gets rejected I learn from the experience and don't waste my time on 'that' photo any longer.

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:09 am

    It is quite rare for screeners to enter comments, simply due to the pressures of time. We have so many pictures to screen, if we added personal comments to every rejection, the queue would be 20,000 or more!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

    In the majority of cases, the standard text associated with each rejection reason is sufficient advice. If there is something usunsual (like one particular piece of badinfo), maybe the location of CMOS dust, etc, then we'll try to point the photographer in the right direction.

    Then there are persistent offenders (people who don't enter accurate information time and time again, for example) who warrant a personal message, because we like to tell people off occasionally, just to keep our reputation for being heartless souls!  Wink/being sarcastic

    It is very important to remember that this forum is your best resource if you can't understand your rejections. People here will try to help.

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:16 am

    Just to add to what Tamsin said, we really do not have time to add personal comments to all rejections - in fact, out of several hundred pictures I screened this weekend I can recall adding personal comments to only two or three and those were to further ellaborate on why the picture was rejected rather than to assist in fixing the problem.

    Over time we get to know the names. Regulars, or those we know visit this forum regularly, rarely get personal responses because we know they know the system and wil come here if they need help. Newbies especially, and also those who upload a whole string of photographs with persistant but easily fixed problems, are much likely to recieve the personal touch in the hope that the input will do some good or indeed resolve the problem.

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:52 am

    Hi all

    Screening happiness is...........pulling up a new screening page WITHOUT any BA A319's  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

    Only kidding, I have some to process........just think, in 30 years time they will be rare!

    Cheers

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:05 am

    Screening hapiness is not having 100 or so shots by the same photog from the same location with the same style of shot..............

    Screening hapiness is not having to decide which of the 7 or 8 shots of the same aircraft by the same photog shot at the same time your going to have to reject becuae the photog couldnt make up his mind which was the best  Wink/being sarcastic

    Cheers

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:17 pm

    Hi all

    Screening happiness is.........not getting any of Paul's stuff in a batch.

    I really hate having to reject his stuff......but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do!!

    Cheers

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:11 pm

    Or not getting another BA 757 from one of those tiny airports across the border!

    Cheers

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    RE: Screening Hapiness:-)

    Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:37 pm

    Hi Paul

     Wink/being sarcastic

    I know you love 'em.

    Cheers

    Gary

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