cabbott
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Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:53 am

Guys

I am writing with great disappointment and sadness with regards to the rejection process which I now DO NOT agree with.

I have been uploading for years and getting better (in my opinion) every year and while the standards have been getting tougher I have still managed to keep my acceptance rate high.

UNTIL!
4-6 weeks ago. Every 7 out of 10 photographs were rejected! I mean come on I accept some should be rejected but not most of them.

Anyways
While I enjoy viewing the photographs I don't enjoy participating in any photo uploads anymore. I have reached the point where I feel my photographs are acceptable for me but not for the site so its time to quit uploading.

Here is the latest batch which I feel were harshly treated. Does anyone agree? I don't want to drown the page with all the rejections but lets just say they are all similar in quality, saturation, sharpness and detail.

I would appreciate any feedback.

badcameraangle
http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=nw330amsca2.jpg

badcameraangle
http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=klm777amsca2.jpg
Ok maybe tail was clipped but still a awsome photo

badcameraangle
http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=co777amsca.jpg

badcameraangle
http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=hbizisf2000.jpg

badcameraangle
http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=klm777amsca.jpg

 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:59 am

1 ,2 and 3 are not lvld ..... , rotate a bit ....
4 looks okay to me, the lightpole looks straight to me ..... , actaully like that shot a lot ...
5 is not lvld again ... , also , if u crop, then try to show the whole engine .....

just my 2 cents

robin
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:04 am

I have to agree on the badangle on all except #4. It was pretty hard to tell without getting the protractor out  Smile. Rotate them a few degrees and see what happens.
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:06 am

Colin

Your pictures are fantastic, and are comfortably above the "minimum" standard for airliners.net acceptance. All of the links you posted were to "badcameraangle" rejections. I have studied each one in close detail, and completely agree - they are all NOT level, especially HB-IZI.

Of all the rejection reasons, this is the easiest one to fix & reupload. I'd bet if there were all "level" then they'd probably all be accepted.

When checking to ensure an image is level, it's best to use the verticals in the image. In your case, all your images need a small rotation to ensure the lampposts are vertical. In your case, this will have the benefit of levelling up the horizontal of the runway too.

Please, don't be disheartened. Your image quality is great.

Tamsin
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:08 am

Colin - you just can't quit! I've admired your CPH shots for years - many of them still sit in My pictures folder to be displayed as a screensaver.

Badcamerangle is one of the most controversial rejections specially if photograph is rejected for being 0,1% off level - just like this one:

View Large View Medium

Photo © Daniel Wojdylo


previously rejected for badcamerangle - rotated 0,1% and accepted. IMHO that 0,1% does not make any difference.

Daniel

[Edited 2004-04-07 18:14:22]
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:24 am

If you don't enjoy the process anymore then I would agree and support your decision to stop uploading. No one forces us to do this. If it were not fun for me, I would stop as well. Not everyone knows when to quit.

Sometimes taking a break is a good thing and you come back invigorated, and with new ideas. It also helps to get you back to the basics. I disagree with your using the term "harsh treatment". They are clearly not level, and as such were rejected.

Jeff
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:29 am

Guys

Thanks for the comments. I think I will give the uploading a rest for now. I have over 300 shots but it seems every time I upload I get rejected. My problem is I think they are good but someone else doesn't. That's fair I guess but its a lot of hours which I don't have in my life just now. Maybe in the future I will have more time to spend.

I think Danny hit the nail bang on the head. The 0,1% type of scenario. But then again its all about personal preference of the screener. That's something which we have to live with but something which can really irate us because it irritates us. Just like when it rains outside we always want to blame someone.

I will leave you with one final picture I have ready to upload. To me this is as good as I will get. Lets see what some of you think. If you were a screener would you reject it?

http://www.pbase.com/image/27705002/original

Thanks
Colin
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:41 am

Colin,

In my opinion the COA777 and SF2000 are not bad angle other three are marginally out.

The KLM777 in your last post is the worst of the lot  Wink/being sarcastic The buildings give it away much more than in the other images.

Out of interest new or old Screeners?

Cheers

Paul
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:43 am

Colin,

It's not level once again... I have that problem too, a lot of my shots are crooked, but it's pretty easy to fix by rotating and cropping... It's not like you're having quality problems.

Alex.
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:44 am

Colin,

I am a screener and I would reject for badcamera angle.
This is not a personal preference as a screener, but a simple rule that we all like to see the picture as they are in real life: with a straight horizon.
I agree there are bordercases and there always will be, but your last example isn't.

Don't get me wrong it is a great shot, as are the others, and is up to A.net standards by miles, but it just isn't straight. Draw a horizontal line across your picture and you'll see. As Tamsin said: it is one of the easiest things to fix.

Tip:
A good measure tool if you are working with Photoshop is pressing CTRL+"
You will see a gridline which makes a perfect measurement tool

If you enter this CTRL+" check in your standard editing procedure I am convinced your acceptance level will rise to old levels.

Martin
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:52 am

Colin,

I have to agree with the screeners on this, just a small angular correction is all that's required mate!

I feel your frustration I really do but to stop because of something as simple as fixing the angle?

I hope you reconsider.

Cheers!

Rez
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cabbott
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:59 am

Martin, Thanks for the tip.
Paul, Sorry I don't know the new screeners, just the old squad

Rest
Thanks for the criticism, I'm sure I'm not the only feeling like this so this thread can benefit others reading.

From what your all saying your telling me that the background is more important to be level (Lampposts, runways, buildings) than the main subject. Of course aircraft are not always level, they fly in pitch and move in angles. Hard stuff to get everything in angle.

Here is the original
http://www.pbase.com/image/27705002/original

And the one I tried to change.
http://www.pbase.com/image/27705892

I did the Grid on Photoshop and rotated the image to the left so that the runway (which is the most important straight line in this photo) was level. I left the borders white to show how much tilt there has been.

Can anyone come up with something better? Or more thoughts. I'm no big head, I learn from others and if often takes something like this to kick it along the way.

Thanks
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:06 am

Guys

Here is another one which I feel I would love to upload but I think you cant say if its level. The taxiway is bent, How do you make this photograph level? At what point would a screener use for reference?

http://www.pbase.com/image/27706129

Thanks
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:10 am

Cabbott,

You got rejections, but what is it about the "process" that you disagree with? I agree with your rejections. I'm no master, but I think your framing is a bit off.

Hashly treated? Relax, it's the internet.

I'd have a little more sympathy if you didn't come off so rude just because your ego felt that your pictures were so wonderful.

Being upset with rejections is fine, I'm SURE I'll be making rejection posts in the near future, but there's a way to go about it. The screeners work hard and you were slightly disrespectful, not only to them, but to any Anet members and photographer who works hard to get their pics on here.

Cheers

-Phil

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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:15 am

Colin,
I looked through all your pbase images. You have a lot of really nice photos. One thing I noticed was your exposures were so much better and color much more vibrant with the Cybershot then what you are using now. I'm not sure what type of processing you did to them, or the current ones, but if you go back and take a look, you will see the difference.

Maybe it is just the 300d's exposure is not set right, as they appear slightly underexposed.

Jeff
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:16 am

One more thing, which nobody mentioned, look at the dark blue cheatline on the KLM 777 photos. Isn't it a bit jagged?


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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:18 am

Yes, it is a tricky taxiway, I know as an AMS local.
The problem is more that it has a curve. I would rotate until the left edge of the taxiway is more or less equal to the right edge.
This one would need at least 0.5 CCW rotation to get there. My reference in this case also is the sound screen in the background

You also run the risk of a badcentered rejection with this one, but that's beside your intital point. Good luck.

Martin Boschhuizen
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:40 am

Colin,

The KLM 777 looks good for level now, but remember to work from the original  Wink/being sarcastic

The MPH 747 is a tricky one, me personally I would leave it as it is the lamp on the left and the blue post are both vertical and the KLM 737 is pretty much level. Not sure about the sounds screen as the posst seem vertical to me, without putting it in PS anway  Nuts

I think badangle is always one of the toughest decisions to make Johan has alowed us some tolerance but it all depends on the image that we see before us.

Cheers

Paul
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:43 am

Very nice shots! I love em, especially the CO close up. Looking at it at 1600 res all of them are crystal clear and sharp and a joy to view on my 19 inch monitor.  Big thumbs up
I also see the slight tilt (camera angle) of the pictures you have shown us.
When photographers get rejections over such minute things it does feel quite dissapointing, but don't forget that this is airliners.net we're talking about. It is as if we are sending photos to Time Magazine to be published. Even the smallest of things will make a big deal. Most of those pictures that I see are like 0.1% off level as what some of the other guys had pointed out.
Easy to fix forsure, and we understand if you wish to take a break from uploading.

I am already having my break from uploading at this time. Haven't sent a picture in about a week so far.
Follow @kimbo_snaps on Instagram or bokimon- on Flickr to see more pics of me and my travels.
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:48 am


So far Bigphilnyc your the only 1 with nothing constructive to say. I wonder
what the others are thinking when they are reading your posts. Your being very helpful and a true diamond in our community! not...

Congratulations on being the first *anny to bring down the conversation.

Thanks you for your detailed expressions. It's it nice to have a thorn in the bush...

Have a nice day as they say in your area...
****************************
Codeshare, Thanks but I think its the size and compression for quick viewing.
Sukhoi, Many thanks for your very constructive approach and help


 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:56 am

Ha. Because I came out with what I felt was your being disrespectful? God forbid I be outspoken.

As for photo critique, I gave similar comments like everoyne else said.

Just because I disagreed with you in a stern way, I'm not constructive? You asked for opinions and I gave it to you straight. Get real.

I didn't throw insults, you're getting ddefensive because you just don't like what I said.

My only regret is that I didn't give you any compliments with my negative criticism. In fact, I had just spent the last 20 minutes checking out your shots because I wanted to say something nicer about your work, and came back into the thread to post, but if you're going to whine becuase I "attacked your framing", then forget it.
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:56 am

Colin,
I may be wrong, but the attitude of this last post is what Phil is talking about.... I admire him for his direct to the point attitude, we can probably use more of it.

Jeff
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:15 am

Jeff

Forgive me for getting mad, perhaps its Phil with the BIG BALLS and the rest of the posters who are quiet like mice.

I appreciate criticism, far from me to step on anyone who has something bad to say but I felt out of all the postings Phil's was the most NEGATIVE. Its better to be a problem solver than a problem maker and if Phil had said " I think you could improve it this way if you did this and that" he would have my utter respect as a fellow photographs and forum user. Instead a got waffle about respect to screeners etc etc.

In respect Jeff your comment of "we can probably use more of it" I don't think so. I believe that if your going post you post with the view of helping others. Phil didn't help me in anyway, he just banged on about respect and bla bla bla. In fact the more I read it the more I realise that there is people here which approach any subject with a huge negativity and a very LARGE chip on the shoulder.

 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:16 am

For getting back to your first posting:

#1: Look at the lightpoles - rotate the image 1° to the left, and crop a bit closer to the aircraft's nose - it will be accepted!

#2: Absolutely the same as #1

#3: I like it, don't see anything wrong with it.

#4: Also - i don't know why badcameraangle ... looks good to me

#5: You might rotate it 1° to the left...

In general, all these images are top quality, and full of action - just a small correction here and there - they will go up like a rocket if they make it into the DB.

hope this helps...


Keep up the good work!

regards, Florian
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:39 am

Cabbott



I'm glad someone in this thread finally approached matters maturely and took them into their own hands.

Phil, that is.

Sure, he may have come off a little negative, although I beg to differ. I'm sure this must be a very disturbing time for you (since you obviously regard yourself very highly), but you have no right whatsoever to blatantly disregard someone's critique--be it towards your photographs or your attitude.

For your own sake, before you embarrass yourself and scar your reputation as a renowned and respected photographer on this site, I suggest you calm down, and take it all in stride.
What the FUTT?
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:41 am

Maybe I was wrong. Doubtful to me, but maybe.  Big grin I'll break it down for you all so as to show exactly why I felt that way I felt.

I'm saying this to get you to understand my view, not to label or attack. I'm trying to be open-minded and respectful here

The thread title: "Rejection Is Far To Much now". Aside from the spelling error, I felt that this was whiny, as though there is some massive mess of a screening process in place that works for crap. I think the process is pretty good, even though there is a very human mistake or lapse in judgement here and there. I felt the title was an exagerration.

"Great disappointment and sadness". I get passionate too about aviation, but jsut because a picture was rejected? I feel that you've been around the block a bit and you know how thigns go. I would think that you would have spotted what I and other members here perceived as faults in those few pics of yours.

"Harshly treated", which I looked at as though you were implying that the screener punched you or personally insulted you.

So because of those terms used, I felt that you were being very overdramatic with your post, which I feel is a little disrespectful considering the level of effort that screeners put forth. Such drama is also a personal peeve of mine, partyl why I reacted like so.

Not to mention that I didn't really think my psot was all that harsh at all.

I mentioned the word ego. I felt that your were being a big egostistical because you mentioned that you were disgusting that more than half of your shots had gotten rejected in that batch, I saw that as you thinking you're above that or better than others or something. Again, another peeve of mine.

As for my actual picture critique, I'll stay detailed. I'm no master, but I've been editting pics and studying photography and have been doing film for years before I got my 10D.

The NW A330 was not level to me, and I felt that the framing should have been a tad over more to the left.

The KLM 777 was also not level, and when such a tiny part of the plane is missing, I think it's a major part that is missing. That's a framing issue to me.

The CO 777 is a nice shot, maybe that should have been acepted. But I think a reframe might be better, to either include fully or exclude the right main gear.

Prop planes are not my fav, so maybe there's some more bias here. But I feel that it's not level and that the shutter speed should either have been faster or slower to either make the blades look more still, or to go for a full circular blur of the props, which would make the shot look a lot more aesthetically pleasing.

The last KLM needs rotating again and I'd personally add a bit of contrast to maek sure your blacks are black.

I hope you weren't insulted by this post, as I'm actually trying now to get you to understnad where I was coming from. I know I can be hard-nosed when I come at people sometimes, but I'm not going to hold back my opinions if I sense something is up.

I relaly don't think my post was harsh or very aggressive at all, though. That was nothing. I've posted MUCH worse in here! :p

Be safe all,

-Phil
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:47 am

Colin, it's a shame you don't enjoy uploading anymore. I think your pictures are definitely a.net material and enjoy them very much. However, I agree 100% with the screener who rejected your shots (it might have even been me on a few i can't remember). Badangle can be easily fixed, it would be a shame to miss out on those shots just because they're unlevel. For all future uploads please check if all poles/buildings etc are level, it will save you a lot of grief.

So, please don't be discouraged and keep uploading. Evidently your shots have what it takes, since all were rejected for badangle they can be easily fixed. I understand it can be frustrating to have a lot of rejections, but sometimes that is what is needed to realize you're doing something wrong.

I'm sure you'll get a high acceptance rate again when you fix the badangles!

Tim
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:52 am

Colin,
they are easy to fix. Just check here
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/76567

/JM
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:14 am

Tim

What I'm starting to dislike (I have to choose words carefully now as the American dictionary is reading) is spending my spare time uploading stuff for it to be rejected for missing a construction number or being 0.2% or more unlevelled. Its a learning process and the goal posts are getting smaller. I understand that. I just felt that everything I was uploading was being rejected for sometime really bad which I didn't feel was fair.

Jan, Many thanks I wish others took your views and pointed me in the right direction. Refreshing training now required.

Phil, Thanks for the now constructive criticism, I will take your thoughts away and process them and try again. And there is no need to cut up every word in my post. It achieves nothing and just shows you taking any angle you can.

Flutterman, Who says I regard myself highly? I don't. I see where your post is coming from. Isn't is so easy! to just blow a simple "my point of view" style posting into a full blown argument. Thanks for your help with my photographs. I will go away and try and improve with what you said
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:00 am

After going through this topic I'm finally convinced there isn't a conspiracy going on against my picture uploads only Big grin
In fact your rejects beat my rejects hands down, no contest.

I do think however, that if there was a poll on the frontpage, asking people how many were disgusted enough to leave A.net and join another airline picture site, because one photo went past the screeners that was 0.1 degrees unlevel, the results of such a poll could be a big surprise to many of us.

I honestly think the majority of users would forgive such an oversight and remain loyal.

If you look at the pictures with most views/picture, they usually are very bad quality shots of things gone awry. Crashes or tiny airplanes landing wings unlevel on a runway far away. If a lamppost isn't dead level, no one will lose sleep over it. I don't think people come to this site to view lampposts first and foremost.

-Peter Fagerström-
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:08 am

I find it funny, people who like to announce to the audience that they are leaving, but a few monthes later they came back, quietly.

Luis
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:11 am

Peter,

Don't make the screeners look petty. These pictures aren't 0.1% unlevel.

Tim
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:12 am

Yes Luis, most of them come back, without saying a word Big grin

Tim
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:28 am

Colin - I know exactly how you feel, yet, the pics are crooked and by A.net rules, should be rejected - and yes, as Tamsin says, they are an easy fix, so perhaps no excuse ...

BUT on the bigger scale, I can't help think something is wrong here. The best I can describe it as is "not being able to see the wood for the trees". Somehow I think A.net often misses the "spirit" of the photo in the search for technical perfection. As Peter rightly suggests, 90% of our viewers couldn't give a damn about a degree of rotation, and I suspect, many would be disappointed as to how many interesting shots get rejected (and therefore they don't get to see).

I wonder if such strict application of rules is harming the site - is it perhaps encouraging people to upload "safe" pics only? I've seen many interesting, though technically flawed, shots rejected here only to re-appear on other sites where they have been well received (ie. got a lot of hits).

Now the important thing to stress is that this is not solely (or even primarily) the fault of the screeners. It is A.net culture. And while one may criticise the screeners as too pedantic for not accepting a slightly sloping horizon, we know what happens if they let one through - this forum rings to cries of "favouritism" and "inconsistency". Maybe we have only ourselves to blame.

Yes, technical quality is important. But so is the spirit of the image. Perhaps, just perhaps, A.net is a touch too clinical. Maybe if at first glance, the picture grabs your attention, that should be enough. I suggest our viewers don't want perfection, they want entertainment. But any change must encompass both screeners and photographers. There is no point in the screeners easing up if our fellow photographers won't show the good grace to accept an interesting but flawed shot for what it is.

Cheers,

Colin

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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:36 am

Maybe so, but a rotation that can be fixed in less than a minute is something that can be brought to the attention of the photographer so he can pay attention to it next time. It will make the picture better; the 'spirit' will not disappear and it will make the photographer aware of it for next time.
If it's such an easy thing to fix, why not mention it?
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:56 am

Timdegroot, I didn't try to make the screeners look petty. I'm sorry if you thought so. What I meant was what Ckw wrote. He put it more eloquently, I must admit.
I do think the rules are a bit strict though, and this is not the screeners fault.

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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:03 am

OK sorry I misunderstood you, don't worry about it.

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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:08 am

Hi all

Colin, coming in late to this thread.......had better things to do than view Airliners recently..........hey my hero Agnetha Faltskog is releasing her new single soon and scanning the net for the video and more pics  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Sorry, getting away from the topic.

A fellow Scot and coming straight to the point.........I did not reject the images but agree with the screener who did. All images are unlevel with some blurry and out of focus. I tend to agree with the guy who mentioned that your stuff with the old Cybershot was better.

On saying that, I feel it is your post processing and not the images themselves that is the real problem.

You still using ACDSee??.........maybe the time for a change of software.......comments?

Cheers

Gary
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:09 am

Colin/Ckw: Brilliant post. Here's a link to a similar discussion I started in Site-Related that is more or less arguing the same point: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/site_related/read.main/19937/.


IL76: You're right, and in most cases it's true. The majority of the time, only minor corrections are needed to warrant an acceptance. Fair enough...I have no qualms about getting a rejection that I can easily fix.

However, as Colin pointed out, A.net is becoming a more 'clinical' and narrow-minded site in regards to photograpic creativity. Check out the thread I linked above for a more indepth argument.
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:10 am

Over the past couple weeks, I have attempted to upload roughly 10 pictures and only one was accepted. I think that is due to me learning the in and outs of a new digital camera, but now that I have a really good grasp on it, I am stilling standing at 10% of pictures are accepted.

I am hopeful that patience will continue to be a virtue!!

Kevin
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:16 am

Kevin, if you need help start a thread in this forum!

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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:16 am

Eduard - yes it is an easy fix, and yes ColinA could/should fix it now that it has been pointed out.

But I guess what I'm saying is, how much does it really matter? What are the priorities? The pictures in question are much more interesting than many of the technically perfect shots we see.

Its tricky though - if we let ColinA "get away" with this one, will standards slide to new lows?! I hope not, and I would think we all have pride in our work, and will produce the best we can, but we have different skills ... and I hope that ColinA won't take offence if I say he is a better photographer than he is a post-processor  Smile. It would be a shame to lose a great talent for one point of weakness.

Surely its "the eye" that matters. Perhaps I'm getting soft in my old age, but I think I'd like to see a little more screening from the heart rather than the head - I think it might make this place a little more fun, and if we had a few dubious calls, perhaps we could get some interesting discussions about "photography" instead of rejections.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:19 am

As an aside, I strongly encourage everyone to read Futterman's discussion in the site-related forum. Even if you don't agree with his view, I am sure that you will be, as I have always been, shocked at how articulate and intelligent this 16 year-old kid is. For as much crap as I give Futterman, he is one of the only people on this website whose opinion means anything to me. I think he knows that, too.  Smile
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:29 am

Cabbot, I've always enjoyed your photographs and your skill as a photographer, but just to point it out:

Please use VERTICAL reference because the ramp/runway/taxiway is not always straight, use the tool to get it straight, always go for maximum efficiency. The images, quite frankly, are more than just 0.2 degrees crooked, I would estimate somewhere in the 1 full degree zone, and thanks to PS, you don't have to guess.

I love the quality of the shots, so just level them, reupload, and I think you'll have a very nice acceptance rate.
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:38 am

Colin,

As I said in this thread before, your pictures are definitely airliners.net material. All they need to have is just that little rotation. And believe me, I have problems keeping my camera level... and that's what the Crop/Rotate functions are for in Photoshop.  Smile

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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:50 am

Wow...Josh (Jakbar)...thanks a LOT. I'm happy my thoughts come across with some sort of value, be it just to you or everybody else. Thanks!  Wink/being sarcastic
He's right though--check it out. My RR also dropped 10 points for whatever reason, so maybe I will impress you.  Big grin

Ahh, but this is ColinA's thread...sorry to 'steal your thunder.'
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:06 am

Yeah, Like Jakbar, I also encourage everyone to participate in Futterman's post. He's very smart (haha) for his age, and a pleasant person to talk to even if you disagree.

That being said, I also lost 10 points on my RR, but who needs that anyway?
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:44 pm

Colin,

Maybe not constructive help with regards to your post but this kind of compounds what others have said.

If you have somewhere to host it could you post a link the the full size unedited JPEG of http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=klm777amsca.jpg

I would just be very interested to see the image you worked from.

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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:59 pm

Hey Everyone.

This is now turning into a good thread with lots of help.

As always Ckw nailed it to perfection and there is really no other way to describe it.

Thanks to you all, I never said I would quit a.net. I would just quit the uploading. There is really no need to say I will go somewhere else because nothing on the net gets as close as A.net.

These forums can be pretty boring of late and I suspect my topic starter is just the same, I apologies for that. Sometime you need to put it straight in the hands of the experts to get your feedback, I got my feedback along with criticism which I can take (When Constructive) and as a result you have made me see that my photographs are in fact not level. They are WAY within my acceptance but not the acceptance of others on airliners.net screeners.

I have learned some stuff here, learned that others are here to help you, and learned that there are others on the forum that can just jump in on a thread without any critique or any constructive point of view.

Mirage, not sure if your comment was aimed at me but im sure you read my post carefully and it never said I was leaving, Just quitting uploading.

The funny thing is! While I agree photographs are great here the rules can sometimes be to strong. Take a example. 4 months back I sold a SAS b767 photographs to a Danish newspaper. The photograph never maid it to a.net because when I did upload it was a rotating shot and the lam posts in the background would never all be level, and its quite a common aircraft. My point is while is was not good enough for a.net it was good enough for Denmark’s largest newspaper on the front cover with a audience of 5 Million.

So to the others out there who think because a.net rejects your photographs that they are not good, think again! There is always somewhere out there who will use your photograph even if the lamp post in the background is cut out, the stabilizer or the hotel is not level in the background.

I will go away now and try improve things.

However you all helped me, thanks.

Colin
 
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RE: Rejection Is Far To Much Now!

Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:09 pm

Colin,

Very interesting thread indeed!

It is so easy for anyone to point out faults on rejected pictures but would it not be nice if we could do the same on the ones that get uploaded because not many are perfect

Keep up the great work Colin!

Derek Pedley



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