LHSebi
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Tail Shot Rejection

Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:06 am

Hi folks,
Can anyone tell me why this is badmotiv:

http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=OHLXL_march_31_DUS_tail.jpg

...and this is not? (just a sample photo, not trying to put the picture down!)


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Photo © Manolo Aldana



I see them as very similar. The one in the database isn't from very long ago, so it can't be the reason that it's old! Any ideas? Thanks!

Sebastian
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JeffM
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:11 am

Similar? Not to me. The angles are way different.
 
LHSebi
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:14 am

Ok, sorry. I know there is a different angle, and it's a different airport, and so on. But what is the fundamental difference that makes my picture badmotiv and the other one not? Why isn't it badangle then? Thanks!

Sebastian
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ExitRow
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:24 am

Framing, focal point, cropping...

The accepted photo was composed in a very 2 dimensional fashion. It highlights the tail art.

Your shot doesn't seems to have the same amount of forethought and compositional arrangement.

Sorry.

william

P.S. It's bad form to compare a rejected shot with someone else's shot in the DB and saying "Why mine and not this?"
 
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:29 am

Thanks for the inputs.

William:
I mentioned that I am not using Manolo's photo to show that it is "just as bad as mine", and that if his gets in, mine should too. I was using his as an example, as I have found dozens of photos, even from a similar angle as mine in the database, and I was wondering then why it's badmotiv. I would understand badangle more from what you guys have said, but whatever. Again, I did not mean to bash the picture above, it just served as a comparison!

Sebastian
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:41 am

Sebastian,
I know you don't mean to bash. All I said was it's "bad form." That means there are better ways of making your point and getting your answer than this. That's all. I am just trying to help you.

And FYI, the "badcameraangle" rejection has nothing to do with the creative angle of the shot. Here it means that horizon is slanted and not level.

I bet if you zoomed in and cropped out some of the extraneous dead space in your shot, like a vertical format, you might have a better chance of it being accepted.

william
 
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:05 pm

Sebastian

Sorry........ugly looking shot.......as per Williams comment 'Framing, focal point, cropping'

Ditch the image, get over it and get back to trying again.

Regards

Gary Watt
 
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:01 pm

Two reasons:

-Tail shots should be taken from the side.
-The tail is too small in the frame. There's too much dead space.

Hisham.
 
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:34 pm

^^ I agree with above, too much fuselage on your photo. Next time if you want to shoot a tail, only frame the tail it self.
 
LHSebi
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:38 pm

Ok. The only reason I didn't crop more was the fact that I wanted the registration still in the shot. I guess this is not important, so I will not worry about that next time. Thanks all for your input!

William: I know you were just trying to help. Thanks!

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condor
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Fri Apr 09, 2004 9:15 pm

But PLEASE don´t crop more and reupload again...



 
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:21 pm

Condor: Thanks for that constructive comment...always appreciated.  Insane

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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:58 pm

Sebastian,

In the photo by Manolo is is clear what the motive of the picture is, i.e., the tail. However, in your picture it's not clear. Is it part of the fuselage, the tail, or maybe the runway. There is too much in the picture and there is no emphasis on *one* part. For a tail shot, a different angle would do it.

Nick
 
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:15 am

I think anyone who thinks that both pics are "VERY SIMILAR" should ask himself whether he should be a bit more self critical instead of posting such "why mine and not his" threads.

We have usually more than 1000 pics in the 24-48 hours section and another 5000 in the Tails and Winglets section. Take a look at them!!!! Then I think it is absolutely unintelligible to upload such a pic. And it tops it all to make such a thread out of it.

Looking at your previous posts I have to say that your skills as a photographer have to improve dramatically. And in your stage it is such a long way to go that it should be enough to compare your shots with others in the database and to be a bit self critical.

If you have improved a lot and you get a rejection that is really close to the standards than you can post it to get the last knowlegde.

Cheers
Oliver



 
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:20 am

Wow, people like you really encourage others who may not be as good a photographer as you to continue trying to upload pictures, and get help from others regarding their pictures. Thanks!

Sebastian
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RE: Tail Shot Rejection

Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:14 am

Oliver,

Ease up, man... it's blatantly obvious that Sebi is having a typical disagreement with a rejection and wants more input, NOT trying to bash the other photo. While I don't neccisarily agree with his choice of comparison photo, or his choice to use a comparison photo at all, the focus should be on his photo and why it was rejected. He has every right to make a post in this forum to ask what other people think.

Just because you don't like tail shots doesn't mean no one does -- everything isn't about hits. Sure, having a 10,000 + hit photo is nice (not like I know, though) but if the photo is a solid picture of an airplane and it is accepted, then you are doing exactly what this site wants you to do. There is always someone out there that can appreciate each and every shot that makes it to this database in one way or another... most of my favorite shots on this site have hit counters that only read in the double and triple digits.

Saying Sebi's "skills as a photographer have to improve dramatically" is completely out of line. He takes pictures that are excellent in both quality and composition. Just because he is getting rejects and may not have many photos in the database doesn't mean that he's a bad photographer, and anyone that looks at his photos and calls him a bad photographer, well, his/her skills as a peer have to improve dramatically. His photos are very impressive to me, which means someone appreciates them... how can he be a bad photographer if such is the case? You don't like them, so voice your opinion... but don't bash him.

I feel that you should loose the hostility and leave the decision about whether a post should be in the forum or not to the moderators.

Sebi: I think if you get closer on the tail and shoot it portrait-style next time, you'll have a winner. I can see a lot of potential in that angle!

-Mike

[Edited 2004-04-11 03:15:25]
The best aviation photo I've ever taken was rejected by Airliners.net

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