JayDavis
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Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:28 pm

Since most of you have read the glowing review about this camera I wanted to post another subject about this camera.

As a non-digital photographer who is getting ready to make the leap, what items and/or things would you suggest in order to get up to speed as quickly as possible on this camera?

What types of software would you get and use? I just saw a post about a program called "Neat Image". For example, would you recommend that I purchase it before I get my camera? Any other ideas and thoughts would be most appreciated.

From my estimations, 14 days and counting..........!!


Jay
 
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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:58 pm

Jay, good to you. I hope you will enjoy your new camera.

I have just bought Nikon D70 and still testing the camera.

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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:00 pm

I am buying the MkII with the hopes that Neat Image will be made obsolete because of lower noise levels! For high-volume indoor sports, having clean ISO 1600 images is what I am after. Neat Image works great, but takes too long for high volume stuff- even with the newer version.

As far as software I recommend Adobe Photoshop CS unless you already have it. An extra battery may be nice but supposedly the MKII is better in this regard as well. That is probably about it!

If you want to archive your images, you may want to come up with a way to do so on your computer- either with a RAID system or CD/DVD backup. I personally have the RAID system with redundancy backup on dual 160GB drives. Even those are filling up fast. With 8.5fps at ~8mb per raw file, your hard drive may fill up fast. I have had hard drives fail, so the RAID is a good investment I think, and it beats the time it takes to burn DVD backups.

But with just the camera, the software that comes with it, and a basic photo editing program you should have all the tools you really need.

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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:31 pm

Thanks for the tips Ken!

I don't have Photoshop CS, I just have 7.01 but am going to purchase the upgrade, probably today.

What is a RAID system? I have no idea.......I guess I'll be looking to get another HUGE hard drive also !!


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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:50 pm

Jay,
The concept behind RAID (redundant array of independent/inexpensive disks) is that a level one RAID will provide disk mirroring. A technique in which data is written to two duplicate disks simultaneously. This way if one of the disk drives fails, the system can instantly switch to the other disk without any loss of data or service. Disk mirroring is used commonly in on-line database systems where it's critical that the data be accessible at all times, but isn't generally necessary for personal computers.

While hard disks are cheap enough for building a RAID setup, what you will end up with is a bunch of hard disks sitting somewhere with all of your pictures on them. They will fail at sometime, you just cannot tell when.

CD/DVD technology has progressed sufficiently to the point where they have become extremely reliable and inexpensive. I have found that making two back up copies of the days shoot on CD, and then when I have enough to fill a DVD, I then copy individual days onto a DVD. I usually make two copies of that as well. Keep them in different locations for safety and you should be fine.

When making prints and storing in an album, I usually burn a CD of the albums images and stick it in a sleeve inside the album. That way years down the road, an original image file will be handy, as it is on the CD inside the album. Much better then negatives.

What you may want to do is visit some of the digital photography forums and read up on different organization methods. Ken is right. You are going to have so many more images then with film, and you will need an orderly method to catalog them, regardless of how you store them.

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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:51 am

Well I went and bought Photoshop CS today, the upgrade is $180.00.

Now if my camera will get here, I'll be all ready!


Jay
 
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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:32 pm

JeffM provided an excellent description of how RAID works, as well as smart backup techniques, but there's one point I want to make in addition to his: RAID itself is not a backup. RAID is great for providing some measure of redundancy, but if you are concerned about the continued integrity of your images, you must have an external means of storing your photographs (as JeffM does.)

RAID is great for making a big, reliable volume for storage, but if lighting strikes your computer, frying your drives, or your house burns down, then it doesn't matter how many drives your data is mirrored to; however, if you have an album full of DVDs stored at your office or in a safe deposit box, well, you'll be in much better shape. Another backup option would be to buy one internal drive and one external drive that connects via USB or Firewire; every so often, copy your image directory to the external drive and unplug it from your computer and store it someplace safe.

Overall, hard drives are getting big enough and cheap enough that I almost wouldn't recommend a RAID storage solution; the temptation of a false sense of security is a lot to overcome (believe me, I know.) If you get another big drive and are very conscientious about backing up your images to an external medium, then there will be very few situations where RAID will prevent you from losing data.
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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:37 pm

I do use CD's as well for important shoots (either family or client shots), but I still find them too small. DVD's might be an option but the burner I used was so darn slow I wanted to curse out loud. From what I have heard CD's don't last forever, either. I wish there was a perfect solution, but I have not found it yet. Are DVD burners significantly faster now than 6 months ago?

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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:50 pm

Good points about the RAID. They are not foolproof, and I have seen more then one array fail completely. Backing up is the answer. A pain, but good practice.

Ken,
my hp DVD +R burner can write a 4 gig DVD in about 15 minutes, or there about. Speedy? No. Reliable? So far. Just don't put paper labels on them. I have found a few movies I have backed up, act funny toward the end of the movie. But I have not had an issue with pictures only. I usually burn a few days or weeks to multiple CD's of different brands, then when I have enough, burn to DVD. Only when I have tried the cd/dvd on two different desktops and my laptop, do I remove them from my hard drive.

v/r
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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:07 pm

I use the CD/DVD solution myself (I have both a CD and DVD burner).

I make immediate copies of a shoot on CD (Nero lets me burn CDs in both burners at the same time, so making 2 copies is very quick). One CD is kept at home, the other in the office for extra security.

Once the images are sorted, edited etc., files are written to a DVD - I've never actually timed the DVD burner, but since I can do this as a background task speed isn't an issue.

Life expectancy of any storage media is a concern, so I think it will be necessary to periodically re-copy to whatever the latest storage is (I've just been reburning old CDs onto DVD).

Given falling costs on both burners and media, I think this is probably the most cost effective solution for now.

Cheers,

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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:52 am

Has anyone on this forum actually received a Canon EOS 1D Mark II yet?
Anxious to know if you like it or not.........any comments???


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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:46 am

If only ... I kinda think you'll know about it when someone gets one. Talked to my dealer Saturday, still no definite news. Apparently the person at Canon UK dealing with allocations has been away on holiday. Perhaps later this week ...

Cheers,

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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:42 pm

Thanks Colin,

The word I got was April 26th from the Canon Rep when he was in my camera store in Dallas. I am "supposedly" # 3 on "the list" at this store. I should be, since I've already paid them $4500.00 for it !!


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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:24 pm

It was hardly a few years ago that the 3 megapixel D30 ran the scene.

Now this 8.2 mp cam is hitting the scene. My God. Very intimidating.

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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:58 pm

And the D30 was almost the same price when it was introduced as the Mk II now will be...

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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:52 pm

Now this 8.2 mp cam is hitting the scene

Don't think its so much the pixels that are the story here - 8mp isn't that significant a leap over 6mp - but I think this is the first DSLR that can go head to head with the best film SLR and hold its own, with no compromises except arguably the 1.3 crop (though many of us see that as a plus).

Add to that the amazing high ISO performance (which appears better than any high speed film), and I think this may be the camera that makes using film look a bit quirky (at least amongst the pro community).

Perhaps what is equally amazing is that if its pixels you're after you can get the 8mp in 5 different prosumer digicams now.

Just counting the days until I can turn theory into practice - I'm jumping like a scalded cat everytime my phone rings during shop hours  Smile

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:30 pm

Not here yet either. Possibly 24 April but who knows.

Not forgetting the 45 point AF too and for me the biggest plus.....a 40 image buffer....no more the camera telling me its had enough, usually when the once in a lifetime shot appears.
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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:19 pm

I just purchased an external hard drive with an USB 2.0 connection (160 gigabytes) as back up. Inexpensive and fast.
I keep the important photos on drive C: and also on the external hard drive. Once I burn a CD/DVD, I remove the corresponding files from C:.

I recently lost 17.000 images due to a corrupt windows registry and this prompted me to start thinking about back-ups.
About 15.000 were aeroplane images, so no real harm was done.  Smile

If this ever happens to you, get File Scavenger. Even after installing a new operating system (XP) and formatting the drive, this program found and rescued about 10.000 of my images.

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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:56 pm

My IBM HDD began to have problems and so as a precaution I backed up the entire drive onto an external Maxtor 300GB HDD. Little did I know that the 11 month old IBM HDD was so knackered it just backed up rubbish. Tried File Scavenger and another HDD recovery program and between them they recovered zero, ziltch nada of my precious aircraft and porn pics.

Now I back up every photo shoot and double check its on the external HDD and readable. Given up on CDs as too little can be stored on them when you consider the size of todays raw files.

As with Skymonsters CF card warning hope this info will help someone someday.
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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:30 am

...my precious aircraft and porn pics
 Wow!  Laugh out loud  Wow!  Laugh out loud  Wow!  Laugh out loud

Well... at least your honest!  Wink/being sarcastic

Cheers!

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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:20 am

Ejazz said: Not here yet either. Possibly 24 April but who knows.

Not you getting one too! Talk about needing to keep up with the Jones' - or maybe its the Work's! And to think, when I first corresponded with you... What did that all start???

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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:28 am

One thing a friend of mine just brought up. If you get low priced 512mb flash cards, they will fill up rather quickly with 8mb images in RAW mode. He said you'd get about 24 shots per card, at best..........

something to think about.

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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Tue Apr 20, 2004 8:08 am

That doesn't make sense - even simple maths tells me that 512/8 = 64!

In practice, RAW files are not of a constant size (depends on both the nature of the image and ISO). As noise increases file size I would also expect the MkII images to be slightly more efficient. I would expect to get around 60 on a 512mb card (I get about 80+ with the 10D).

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:24 am

Well my Math skills are not worth sh** Colin  Smile !!

You are correct. 60 shots isn't too bad on a 512 card per se.
I still might get a couple of the cheapies...........


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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:56 am

Skymonster

Yes, I confess I'm guilty. I heard how Colins photographs might be greatly improved by this camera and thought maybe it could help me too  Smile

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RE: Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II

Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:06 pm

Well since this is the first digital camera I have owned, I have no place to go but up in my photography skills  Smile !!


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