DLKAPA
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Again, Rejections...

Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:01 pm

But at least this time it wasn't from that shitty film camera. It's a good camera, just not for aviation photography. This one got BADSCAN and BADCOLOR.

Any way to fix or just bag it?

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=APA1.jpg

I'm thinking if I play with the RGB values a little on this one, that might help, and/or Adobe USM.

Any thoughts?

(hey, you have to admit, this WAS better than the US 319  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )

DLKAPA





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N737MC
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RE: Again, Rejections...

Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:10 pm

Well here are my findings.

Bad Color
Bad Dark
Blurry
Bad Motive!

Bag it!


Aaron Mandolesi
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concord977
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RE: Again, Rejections...

Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:27 pm


Eric,

A.net is very tough on artistic or "mood" shots. They are in a mode of approving striking aircraft profiles with vibrant colors, and only those photos that have been post-processed to the max.

I thought your shot was interesting, and a nice change from one more obscure 737 on approach.

In any case, I took a few minutes to adjust your photo a bit. If nothing else, I removed the haze and eliminated the blue tint that was washing over the image. (note the difference in grass color).


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RE: Again, Rejections...

Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:29 pm

Aaron, what the kid needs is encouragement.

First off, what you need to do is get CLOSE, no use in getting something you DON'T need in the shot (that's why there's bad motive), the Colors are off because it looks like you pressed the White Balance mode option (just corrects the white during night time photography).

It's also looks like it was taken with the sun somewhat in front of you, I presume, and also the shutter speed was inappropriate or something was done to blur the pic.

Better try again.
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maiznblu_757
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RE: Again, Rejections...

Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:30 pm

Still,
its not worth the time to mess with.

NEXT!

PS

It's a good camera, just not for aviation photography

I thought you were a 300D user?

Dont blame the camera. Its user error here, unless you got a bad specimen. Plenty of excellent photos taken with that camera in the DB.

[Edited 2004-04-19 05:37:00]
 
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RE: Again, Rejections...

Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:31 pm

Eric,
I know you only have a wide angle zoom at the moment, so do this...

GET CLOSER! Using the lens you have you should be damn near standing in the parking lot to get a decent picture of that tower. And....why did you decide to shoot into the sun? Take it to the other side and shoot, but not at mid-day, bad contrast. Read the book on color space, and white balance too while your reading. After that, read all you can about exposure modes and adjustments as well.

I know you don't have a lot of control over the exposure mode with the 300d, but what happened is the camera exposed for the bright sky making everthing else way too dark.

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RE: Again, Rejections...

Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:42 pm

It's a good camera, just not for aviation photography

I thought you were a 300D user?


This pic was taken with the 300D. The camera that I was referring to that wasn't good for aviation photography was my film camera that took that pic of the USAir 319.

I am truly amazed at what the 300D has provided me. On wensday I will probably start looking for longer lenses.

GET CLOSER! Using the lens you have you should be damn near standing in the parking lot to get a decent picture of that tower. And....why did you decide to shoot into the sun? Take it to the other side and shoot, but not at mid-day, bad contrast. Read the book on color space, and white balance too while your reading. After that, read all you can about exposure modes and adjustments as well.

I was driving around Inverness for the better part of an hour looking for a place to shoot with the sun at my back. As it seems the airport is on a hill, I had no luck finding a good spot to take a photo.

Concord, what did you do to edit the shot?

Thanks for your help

DLKAPA
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RE: Again, Rejections...

Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:50 pm

As it seems the airport is on a hill, I had no luck finding a good spot to take a photo.

Eric,
I know that area like the back of my hand, don't tell me you could not find a decent place. All you have to do is look at a shadow.... That lens is an 18-50? or something like that? Using that lens and standing across the road you could have got the whole tower in the frame.

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RE: Again, Rejections...

Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:53 pm

Sorry,
I misunderstood you. Keep shooting, try to get closer.
 
andrewuber
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RE: Again, Rejections...

Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:54 pm

OK here are my ideas-

First of all, it appears that this image is straight out of the camera. You MUST do some post-processing before you upload. In this case (sigh) there is quite a bit of work to be done to salvage a marginal image at best.

First of all, you say the tower is the subject of the photo, yet it's the size of a dime in the middle of this huge panoramic shot that shows us a bunch of trees, buildings, cars and trucks blocking the view.

IF you really wanted to upload this photo, the very first thing you should do is crop ALL of that stuff out of the picture. Show us the tower. Only. If the view is a panoramic view, it must be at least mildly interesting.

Ironically, I have a tower shot that I uploaded recently. Take a look at it.

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Photo © Freight-Dawg


You can see this is really not the greatest photo in the database, but it's got good color, the focus is good, and there's even an aircraft on final behind it. All of these elements got this photo accepted, despite the fact that it is a bit on the grainy side (the weather sucked that day).

Shoot your photos in Large JPG mode, and that gives you the capability to crop extremely small, and not lose quality. If you want help on selecting settings and post-processing for the 300D, look at this post:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/124182/

Then there's post-processing. My God, your photo's got a buttload of blue in it. Were you using any filters? I use UV ONLY on my 300D. You really need to install that PhotoShop Elements CD that came with your camera - it really will help you improve your acceptance stats.

Eric, don't think that I'm bashing you here - I'm not. If you could see the rubbish I uploaded after I bough MY 300D - you'd laugh your a$$ off. Looking back, I have no clue what I was thinking. My first batch of 10 uploads got rejected - every single one of them. I got irritated, but kept trying. When I look at those images, I can CLEARLY see why they were rejected.

Lastly, regarding your comment that "It's a good camera, just not for aviation photography" - take a look on this site, and see how many thousands of photos come from that camera. The 300D, if used correctly, can yield AMAZING results. I now have 144 photos on this site, and had 15 uploaded just today. I'm averaging around 90% acceptance, and it's because I learned how to use my 300D and how to post-process effectively.

This shot came out of my Digital Rebel (same as 300D), and was cropped, and resized. That's it. This image is pure, un-retouched data, straight out of the camera:

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Photo © Freight-Dawg



If you have any questions, or ever need any help, drop me an e-mail, I'd be glad to help you out. Good folks like Tim Samples, Chad Thomas, and a few others helped ME out, and that's how I know my camera so well. I have them to thank for it!

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DLKAPA
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RE: Again, Rejections...

Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:55 pm

My goal was really more to get as much of the airport as I could into the frame, that's why I found myself driving around inverness so much, but in light of recent suggestions, I'll head closer for a shot of the tower.

Thanks guys.

DLKAPA
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RE: Again, Rejections...

Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:23 pm

Eric,

I used Neat Image, followed by Photoshop 8.01.

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RE: Again, Rejections...

Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:07 pm



For some reason that image could be a dead ringer for the David Koresh Branch Davidian compound in Waco that burnned a few years ago....

Just a observation Smile
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