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Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:06 pm

Anyone notice any difference in the queue with the new upload limits in place? I don't have any in at the moment, but was curious what everyone thinks of it so far. Any comments from the screeners?

bored and "on the road..."

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:20 pm

Well jeff, I gotta say, being behind 500+ photogs and 3000+ pictures, with only 4 myself, is not pleasent.

By the way, I took your advice and got closer to the tower yesterday, however all my photos are likely to be rejected for BadWeather. Seriously the weather yesterday sucked.

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:30 pm

Patience Grasshopper....

3000 pictures in there now? That is not as bad as it used to be...

So, I might be stuck in beautiful BOI another day due to snow?
 
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:33 pm

Expecting a 6-12" in Denver Metro, 1-3 feet in the foothills. Better start getting used to BOI, you might be there awhile.

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:36 pm

I hope the limit is working out well. Seems like a good idea all around.

Although relatively high, the que seems to have stabilized this week and thats a good sign.

Tom
 
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:21 pm

well the queue hasnt reached 6000+ again yet, so perhaps it is having the desired effect  Smile

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:37 pm

I appreciate this upload limit very much !! Difference in the queue - I don't know, maybe in the last days are not that much photos added as in the weeks before.

Next step should be FIFO (First in first out) and a.net would not only be the best aviation photo database, but also have the best queue procedure honor the efforts of ALL its photographer.

I'm still a bit courious, how its possible that very normal Cessna photos or other really NOT new stuff can make it into the database in just a few hours (also taken from 2-3 different angles). This is in my opinion really something for FIFO, or are there any rules that photos added the same day until 18:00 are screened/uploaded until 24:00 ??

Thanks to the a.net crew for all there effort
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:35 pm

Guys

It is working well so far but will take a little time for things to settle down.

Some screeners on holiday and possibly more so with the Summer holidays just around the corner. No holidays for me planned at this moment in time so your favourite big rejecting screener will be here night and day.

Personally, I've been a little quiet screening lately.......but bottle of wine cooling for tonight's batch!!

A few other

Cheers

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:33 pm

I think if the limit make some people to stop and think for a while, screener's job will be more comfortable and Airliners.net will have even more valuable material to display.
For me personally the limit is not a problem, because I still shoot prints and slides, and never uploaded more than 10 in the batch (usually one or two)  Big thumbs up

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:31 pm

I like the new limit set, but the queue still seems huge. Still seeing higher than 30 numbers on the search page though.

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:44 pm

Gary wrote: "but bottle of wine cooling for tonight's batch!!"

Hmmm, don't reject too much pics for "badblurry"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:12 pm

I noticed that the queue is still relatively high, but then again it is an upward trend and it looks like the days of low numbers are gone forever.
I'm in no rush at all to see my pics included in the db, but I noticed that the screening lately has been rather slow, especially the last 2-3 days, but Gary/Granite seems to have explained the reasons for that.

Jeez, what if all 19 screeners suddenly went on vacation at the same time, lets say to the annual photo screeners convention on Orlando? Big grin

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:20 pm

Do the queue stats also show the Myaviation direct loads?

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:43 pm

OMG, guys, see this!  Big grin

There are a total of 4987 photos waiting to be processed on the upload page (29 waiting for Johan and 4958 waiting for the screeners).

...

4367 photos and 799 photographers are currently before you in the queue...


Understandable, there should be still some photos in the queue from the time before the upload limit... But hey, 799 photographers?! Big grin

If every photographer uploads 15 pictures in average (don't ask me, that's just a guess) and by the summer there will be 1000 happy spotters with their new DSLRs, that means still quite a bunch of pictures!

I really haven't paid attention, has the amount of photographers always been something like this?

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:52 pm

When I woke up yesterday there were 325 photos ahead of mine in the queue. Now 36 hours later, there are 248 photos ahead of mine. Badscreening Big grin
 
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:17 pm

I think it's too early to make strong conclusions but I'm glad finally there is a limit.

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:51 pm

I think the limit has to improve matters considerably - and now that the concept has been adopted, I would imagine it would be a simple matter to raise or lower it according to load and availability of screeners - perhaps it should be seasonally adjusted.  Smile

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:30 pm

Hi all

As it currently stands (correct me if I am wrong) for people wanting uploads to Airliners and also MyAviation, we screen all images.

I am hoping that the link to Myaviation from the main Airliners upload page will be un-linked.

Uploads to Airliners.net - Ue the Airliners.net upload page.
Uploads to MyAviation.net - Use the MyAviation upload page.

Please separate your images and the queue will come down.

Just the other day I rejected a REALLY crap image from the Airliners.net queue, only for it to appear on MyAviation very soon after.

Cheers

Gary

 
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:34 pm

Pepef said: When I woke up yesterday there were 325 photos ahead of mine in the queue. Now 36 hours later, there are 248 photos ahead of mine. Badscreening

And if you look at the search page, you'll see 943 photos added to the database in a not too dissimilar timeframe, so not Badscreening. It could be, for example, that your images are iffy and are being bounced around between the screeners looking for second opinions and thats slowing things down for you? Big grin

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:01 am

i am pretty happy , that there finally is a uploadlimit .... , I think a lot of us , usually have been in this range anyway ... , but there are some guys out there who just dont know anything and try to uplaod 100+ _____ pics ..... I do remember , when I started to upload to A.net, that I did similiar things ....

anyway, what Pepef mentioned: I now have 1 pic in the queue, as soon as it comes to get screened I start to upload more pics ..... , and I also realizing this, when I am getting close to get screened, that suddenly the queue infront of me rapidly starts to grow .......

anyway, I think A.net is on a good way to improove , and solve certain probs .... , WE ALL KNOW, THAT HERE ARE THE BEST PICS ANYWAY  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:07 am

Guys (some of you)

Keep the topic as per the original post from Jeff..........and don't start moaning about the size of the queue again.

Heard it.....how many times now  Insane

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:15 am

There are a total of 5185 photos waiting to be processed on the upload page (29 waiting for Johan and 5156 waiting for the screeners).

Of those, 3 are yours.

4730 photos and 869 photographers are currently before you in the queue (the number of photos may increase, not the number of photographers).



 Smile Well, i don't recognize any big difference yet. But we will see in several days...

Personally, the upload limit does not matter to me because i never upload more than 10 images in one batch...
However, it is good to know that 200+ uploads of the same photographer won't slow down the Q again  Smile

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:05 am

For somebody, who has just returned from a spotting trip with obviously more than 30 images, uploading all of them (not literarly, but the ones which are a.net suitable) could take some time. And that person will have to wait for some time and nervously keep checking the queue, until the next ones are uploaded.

It is a relief for screeners, yes. But for some photographers it isn't.

That gives me thoughts on my trip in May. I assume I'll have more than 30 images to upload.

More screeners? Hmmm....
How about the not-so-long-ago screeners-in-training ? How are they doing?
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:42 am

Has the upload limit improved morale among screeners?
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:54 am

Hi all

Screeners in training are no more...........full fledged screeners now and hoping to get the info updated as well as the 'About Us' page.

Morale?..........morale has always been good amongst the screeners........I know they all hate me but that's another story  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:00 am

I assume I'll have more than 30 images to upload

I'm sure you will ... in fact, in 90 minutes at SOU this afternoon I got more than 30 images which would probably pass muster. One big plus of the upload limit is it will force us all to be more selective, and only upload the best.

I think 30 is plenty to allow for any shots which are "urgent" for some reason or another - as for the rest, hang on to some for a time when you don't have exciting new material to load.

Cheers,

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:24 am

I person don't care for it, my pictures are still going to take almost a week to be screened. Plus if you go out on long spotting trips it could take weeks until you get all of your photos uploaded. I really didn't mind not having the limit, I honestly don't really care how long it takes to get through the queue, as long as it gets through. The quicker it gets on, the quicker it slides back into the infanite abis of airliners photos.
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:22 am

Scott

I've still got some stuff from my Singapore trip in 2001 that I have not processed yet  Nuts

Cheers

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:37 am

I just tried to upload some pics.
My statistic says, I have 6 in queue...
The upload limit tells me, I already have 30 in the queue, thus no more pics from me until sometime...

wel...some programming to be done...

The idea is great, and I think it's good to take load from the screeners, also to block a set of 100 new LHR same spot (just as an example) series...

Keep on the good work!
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:06 am

I don't mind the 30limit queue at all.
I got a few pictures in there myself but I ain't feeling any hurry to have em processed so I say Screeners, take your time. It will still be a little while longer before we all get used to this and I'm sure it will be a good thing for a.net.

Hey Gary: You keep drinking that wine!!  Smile Add a Guiness and some Honey Ale while at it. I love drunk screeners! They will add almost anything!! Big grin
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:49 am

I've still got some stuff from my Singapore trip in 2001 that I have not processed yet

Now why the hell would you go and do something like that?  Laugh out loud
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:51 am

Bo

Only had one glass tonight as I wasn't in the mood  Innocent

It's amazing how the crap pictures look good after a few glasses of the Bulgarian stuff............yes, Bulgarian wine for me tonight......el cheapo Tesco deal.

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:53 am

el cheapo Tesco deal

"Every little helps" as they say - in this case, helps build courage, have done with it, and to reject those marginal images straight away! Big grin

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:58 am

BTW Gary, what's this Abba stuff in your sig? Showing your age or what? Big grin

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:25 pm

30 is alot of pictures. I have never had more than 15 in the queve but then again, I shoot easily accepted shots - GA new registration photos. I've been shooting with an old Olympus 2 MP camera but I will soon shoot with a 4 MP camera - I'm looking forward to it. My dog pictures will be looking great in a month or so...  Smile
 
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:38 pm

Andy

Well spotted and yes, showing my age  Wink/being sarcastic

I've waited 17 years for this new CD and well worth the wait. Airliners.net is definitely NOT Sweden's best...........and Johan knows it!

New track each time per updated signature.

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:14 am

So from what I have read above, MyAviation pictures are included in the queue statistics even if they are not selected by the uploader to come to Anet? If that is the case, is there anything specific that needs to be done to those images that causes a delay? Or is it just the fact that they need to be "handled" at all.

I usually check the add to ANET and MYAVIATION at the same time so I can link to an image if needed. Does doing that slow things down?

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:52 am

I think what really slows it down is that people upload crap shots which are myaviation material (in the best case) and still check the box for both sites on the upload page.
On the other hand threads like
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/129680/
might put some screeners back to process their own shots instead of screening others.
Peter (back to processing now)
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:59 am

The people this upload limit benifits the most are the screeners. When someone doesnt take time to read that only high quality photos will be accepted, and insist on uploading 90 crappy photos, the screeners will not have to go thru all 90, they only have to go thru 30.

It should make it quicker for ours to get screened, but, I am not really noticing a difference.

The best way to fix the issue is to not allow the repeat offenders to upload at all.



 
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:38 am

I think its time to have pictures uploaded be screened on a first come first serve basis. I think this would help the queue size and probably be better for the screeners not to have to screen 40 of one guys pics in a row. I think people rush to upload more pics before the queue gets to them...This might prevent people from rushing to upload...Just a thought....Artie
 
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:43 am

I'm not yet convinced that this limit is a good thing.

This has not happened, but consider this hypothetically:

Let's say I have two days a week where I go out and take pics for a few hours. The first day I'd come home, edit a bunch and feel that 30 of my shots are upload worthy, even after rigorous self-screening. I put them in the queue and wait.

Maybe 3 days later, my 30 shots are still pretty high int he queue, but I go out again and take more shots for a few hors. I edit and come up with another 30 shots, most of which are really nice. I can't upload them as I have to wiat for hte queue to come down.

A couple screeners go on holiday, slowing the queue down a bit, and a week has past and my 30 shots are still in the queue, with another 30 waiting in a folder on my desktop. I go shooting again and get another 20 worthy shots. Yet agian, I need to wait with 50 shots which will be 2 or 3 weeks old by the time I get them them accepted.


I obviously don't expect the screeners to work that fast, and I know the limit is new, but I'm not sure if this will ever actually allow the queue to move at a much quicker speed. Limits like this will only slow down some of the good photographers and demotivate them when they are only able to upload a spoonful of shots once a week from a large bowl of pictures.

Look at guys like Art Brett, who consistently post large bunch of quality shots with high rejection rates. Sure we can't restructure or plan around one person, but why set these greats back because of a few fools that don't know how to upload right?

Maybe slapping such a limit on repeat offenders, or giving immunity to people who have proven themselves to need the extra slots and back it up with good shots.

To be honest, I can't think of any great ideas for other solutions, so I give credit to all admins for trying SOMETHING. I can certainly appreciate the pro-active stance and also appreciate the great work that the screeners do. I am just not sure if THIS is the best way to fix the situation.

-Phil
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:52 am

Good points... and I presume you mean low rejection rates for Art?  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:58 am


Personally, I don't enjoy viewing pages and pages of anyone's images, my own included. I don't see how having a limit "holds anyone back". Why should one person who thinks his or her 100 or so pictures are any more important/interesting then the guy or girl they are pushing further back in the line?

I agree with the others, in addition to the 30 image limit, I would like to see the photographer be left out of the queue equation, and queue only the photos. This would prevent stuff like the placeholder...
 
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:35 pm

as I mentioned allready some threads before: why do u guys upload all the 30 pics at once? I upload 1 pic, so I am in the queue ... , as soon as this pic is going to get screened, I upload some 5 pics more, and so on ... , so I am not getting in trouble , if I have been to the airport again, and think the newer pics are better, than the allready uploaded ....
Also, I do rarely upload 30 pics from one day, even , if they meet A.net standards ..... , exceptions of course do occur .....

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:40 pm


If there aint anything new in the batches you wanna upload why the rush? And juts in case you get something new theres always the option to stay lets say 2 or 3 shots below the maximum allowed so that you can upload the hot items. So i dont see any problem here with the limit.
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:58 pm

I think the viewing public also benefits from the limit. Multiple pages of the same photos is just boring.

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:39 am

Please, tell me destinations for a spotting trip where you are going to be able to catch more than 30 hot new items for the rest of the mortals.  Big grin

Just curious to do my booking also...



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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:54 am

Can someone please explain how the list of "top uploaders" still contains photographers with more than 30 pic's for the last 24 - 48 hours!!?

...if this question is easy & obvious for everybody else, please forgive me, because it isn't for me...  Confused
 
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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:01 am

@ Ljungdahl:

Since this new rule has only been enforced for the last five days it hasn't reached full strength yet. Photographers who uploaded more than 30 pics before Friday were not affected. When the backlog of these photographers is cleared the only way to get more than 30 pictures in one day will be to upload a new batch right after acceptance, when the queue is small so that screeners reach your second batch again, within 48hrs.
At least that is how I understand it...

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RE: Opinions On The Upload Limit?

Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:52 am

GOT:

Right you are - five consecutive batches 30 photos each - straight-in additions  Big thumbs up

I'd like to see some one do that. It is possible, after all.

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