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Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:06 pm

All

Please could I urge you to ALWAYS try to complete the "construction number" field when uploading in future?

I you use the "I Fell Lucky!" button (which everybody should, and may soon become mandatory), then you will be presented with an option of construction numbers to choose from.

If you don't know the number, then please may I ask that you spend a moment visiting the excellent (and regularly updated) http://www.airlinerlist.com ?

Always list Boeing and McD construction numbers in full (eg 26310/2680).

The information may be irrelevant or superfluous to you, but it is extremely valuable information for the airliners.net database. It takes only 10-20 seconds to look the information up each time, so it's not too onerous.

If you do not complete the info, then one of two things will happen:
1. We (the screeners) have to look the information up for you. Not only is that tedious for us, but it also means the screening slows down to a crawling pace.
2. Your photos are accepted without complete info, compromising the completeness of our database. Our correction editors will then have to spend countless hours adding the information in.

So, please, please spend a few seconds per upload to get the information entered.

Thanks very much!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Tamsin
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:11 pm

Thanks Tamsin!

Indeed, lack of c/n is no reason for rejection but it adds to the completeness of the database.

What is a reason for rejection is lack of full type designation on common aircraft. I still come across a lot of shots with say 737-3.. when it's a lufthansa 737 with 30 shots in the db.

Use autocomplete Smile

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:33 pm

No thanks, I like to give people things to do. In return, you reject my photos  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sat Apr 24, 2004 10:28 pm

Hi all

Even have a pre-check on Airliners to see if the same aircraft has been uploaded already.

Me.........I don't care for construction numbers at all but feel it is my duty to try and find them as the field is there for completing. Some people out there keep track of these and I am happy to enter the details for them.

Cheers

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sat Apr 24, 2004 10:52 pm

During my early days of uploading I was one of the people who use to do
747-4... or 767-2... However, in recent times I believe that using the "I Feel Lucky" button, also helps me keep the pictures complete on my computer's own database. So I agree with the screeners above, that when ever you upload the photos please fill all fields including the construction numbers.

Also I think if anyone still does 747-3.. or anything like that when uploading their photo, it should be rejected for "baddata".
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:42 pm

QF: Do remember there are many photographers on here who primarily shoot at Boeing Field, or Toulouse. As such, data such as the full (737-QYZ) type and construction information might not be available yet. That should not stop someone from uploading a photograph however.

Screeners: I have many photo's of partially painted Boeings in the database, that have now been painted and delivered. Would you like me to research the full type & construction number information, and submit corrections? I have been thinking about this recently.
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:55 pm

Bronko: We do, of course, consider the availability of the full-version information before rejecting for badinfo. For example, I screened the new "AirBridgeCargo (Volga-Dnepr) Boeing 747-2..." this morning, and I was unable to identify exactly what the version should be. But it is important enough that we should add it anyway. When the full info becomes, I certainly hope the photographer will send an update ("correction").

Yes, in the interests of keeping the database thorough and accurate, we'd like you to send "corrections" for your partially-painted pics.

Thanks all!

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:58 pm

I agree but I have a request too:

Is it possible to auto fill the CN field when we press the "I feel lucky" button?

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:44 am

Another request....Could a link to the photos currently in the database of the same registration be added to the page after the "I feel lucky" button has been pressed?
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:47 am

I already do this to all my uploads Big grin

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:49 am

I use google at lot when getting data on an a/c by simply entering the reg number. But that leads to a question: is the "Serial Number" that they list the same thing as the construction number?
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:56 am

Mia77: That is a great idea, something I would find very useful. I will usually do a search for the aircraft after the autocomplete fills in the data, to cross check the data, especially when it offers multiple choices.

This would be extremely useful.
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:31 am

I always try to fill in all fields when uploading a photo.
But sometimes I discovered when I press the "I feel lucky" button now c/n is available while the c/n number does exist in the database with the registration.

And second, I recently added all c/n to my photo's
 
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:10 am

I have been browsing through the spreadsheets at http://airlinerlist.com, that site provides a tremendous amount of information. Thanks for pointing it out.
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploadi

Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:12 am

I just visited airlinerlist.com for the first time after Tamsin suggested it....and it is a terrific source of information! It took me about 1 minute to find the c/n for a UA triple-seven that I had picked out at random from my collection. I would like to echo Tamsin's "plea" for people to enter this information in when uploading pics...it takes barely any time at all, and it is such a benefit to the a.net database.

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:16 am

As a corrections editor, I would like to second Tamsin's request that you supply complete c/n info when you upload photos. If you have been unable to do this in the past but are willing to supply corrections now, please do so. Although a backlog of 7,500 corrections exists, there is no queue whatsoever of "photographer only corrections." If you send in corrections for your own photos, they will be processed within minutes at best or in a few days at worst.

And to reiterate, please list Boeing and McD construction numbers in full (eg 26310/2680)! Although simply writing "26310" is better than nothing, you'll make our lives much easier if you simply add the number in full. No exceptions for Portuguese spotters! (You know who you are!)

In the meanwhile, the corrections editors will continue to work throught the database to supply c/n info for the older photos of various aircraft and airlines. Just as an example, I've recently added the cn to all the Valujet, original "Frontier", United & Delta DC-8s, and Delta DC-9 photos, among others.
So you Europeans don't feel left out, I also managed to get Peter to add Titan Airways & Astraeus to the drop-down list on the main page. More improvements will come soon.

Thanks to all who do things the right way!
 
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:27 am

@ Tamsin:

I screened the new "AirBridgeCargo (Volga-Dnepr) Boeing 747-2..." this morning, and I was unable to identify exactly what the version should be

The ABC aircraft is an ex Alitalia aircraft. As I understand it was converted, i.e. does not have a nose door. So I would say it is a 747-243SF.

Cheers,
Tom

[Edited 2004-04-24 19:30:23]
 
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:18 am

As much as I personnally have no use whatsoever for the C/n, I make a point of honour filling it.

However, as Karlok said, sometimes, the "I feel lucky" button does not give the c/n, even though there is already one in the dB. Oh well, in those cases it takes me a mere 30 more seconds finding the right information (at least, I don't have to leave A.net)

Google is a terrific tool. In the last three months, only one aircraft failed to give me its c/n through it. In that very case, I added a special note to the screeners, explaining no c/n could be found by traditional means, and they perfectly understood.

Lindy Field, you can be afraid, I am currently going through my DR400 list (a single prop absolutely not standardised on A.net... ). I have over 50 of those in the dB. Some have their c/n, most don't. Anyway, most of the information on them is non standard, so be prepared to see a huge bunch of dB corrections in the next days  Acting devilish (I must note although that all of those DR400 have had their c/n if they have been uploaded less than 8 something moths ago )

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:47 am

It's great when photographers submit loads of corrections for things like the cn, each single entry improves the quality of the database and makes your photos easier to find for visitors  Big thumbs up
Surely you photographers want all the data with your photos to be complete?  Smile

And it does help us - I've added recently all the cns for Bmibaby, and that took quite a while, and there are only 434 photos of the airline in the database! I've got MyTravel and easyJet coming up, they're going to take forever  Big grin

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploadi

Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:24 am

Glad you're pleased, then

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:53 am

I always enjoyed filling in the extra data, its educating and fascinating to find out the history of a particular aircraft. I do it for sheer pleasure actually, and Airlinerlist.com has always been a permanent fixture in my favourites list.
sometimes I get stuck though, take this one for example:

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They are the same aircraft, but I'm given the choice of 2 aircraft types. So the final decision had to be left for the screener to make.
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:22 am

For the military types:

http://www.scramble.nl/milbase.htm

 
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:11 pm

Hi all,

Just updated all my photo's in the database.
With www.airlinerlist.com and www.scramble.nl as mentioned above, you will find back all info needed for 99% of the aircraft.
But be aware when blindly taking over info that already exists in the DB: I discovered a lot of errors on CN, ln and aircraft versions...
What I suggest when uploading/updating, is that you check out other photo's and see most of them have for example the same CN/ln and if this is not the case, you can and must refer to airlinerslist/scramble.
Just my input of working...

Serge

[Edited 2004-04-25 10:12:36]

[Edited 2004-04-25 10:13:46]
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:57 am

"What I suggest when uploading/updating, is that you check out other photo's and see most of them have for example the same CN/ln and if this is not the case, you can and must refer to airlinerslist/scramble.
Just my input of working..."

That is why several are asking for a link to other photos of the same aircraft on the upload page, after you enter the registration number. Would be helpful, as many people do this to cross check data.
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:02 am

Serge and others, thanks for all the corrections that you've all submitted today, had loads  Big thumbs up

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:06 am

Another great site that provides lots of information is http://www.aerotransport.org!
It's better to subscribe for 35€/year, but it works for free too, but limited.
 
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Wed May 05, 2004 8:56 am

I have to confess that I have been very casual about entering the c/n - usually not doing it. I promise to do better in the future. I use an Excel spreadsheet to keep track of my photos so it will just mean adding an extra column so that I have the information in front of me when I upload.

 
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Wed May 05, 2004 1:36 pm

A few of my favorites:

Civil
* RZJets - http://www.rzjets.net ... This is quickly becoming an online JP Airline Fleets. Loads of records added daily, and any user can make their own updates. Not limited to airliner types, either.

* Aerotransport - http://www.aerotransport.org

* Airlinerlist mentioned above

* FAA database - http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase

* Aeromoe's US Fleets - http://www.geocities.com/~aeromoe/fleets/airlines.html ... A bit outdated but extremely useful for older aircraft.

* Cactus Wings Stored Aircraft lists - http://www.cactuswings.com/storage ... a self plug, sorry

Military
* Joe Baugher's Military Serials - http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/ .. Takes a little work to get the c/n, but sometimes it's your only option.

* Scramble site mentioned above

And of course - GOOGLE. Has Google ever let you down?

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Wed May 05, 2004 5:59 pm

Thanks Tamsin for bringing this up.

I spend a fair percentage of my time filling out this info and you would be surprised at the number of regulars that miss it out.  Wink/being sarcastic It has been known that some screeners even leave them out? It is alright I have mended my ways and now meticulously search and find wherever possible.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

When using Google and the type is known like Boeing then I type Boeing and then the reg and a better refined search is the result. Same goes for Airbus or McDonnell Douglas.

If a photo is rejected for another reason and the cn is missing too I always tick the badinfo as well for the photog to add when they remedy the fault and reupload with ALL the details.

Keep em coming with COMPLETED details.

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Wed May 05, 2004 9:00 pm

Good starting points for searching c/n's by registration are:

- Howard Curtis' Aviation Links: Aircraft Registers: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hjcurtis/spotting_r.html
- Pascal Brugier's Civil Aircraft Register of World: http://w3.teaser.fr/~pbrugier/n_index.htm
- Civil Aircraft OnLine Registers: http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/reglinks.asp

These sites are most useful for looking up non-commercial civil aircraft.

Regards,
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Thu May 06, 2004 5:50 pm

Reinstate the 'private' category then I will add c/n's again - not before
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploadi

Thu May 06, 2004 6:18 pm

Paul, if you want to have private, just select "Others"" then "Private"

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Thu May 06, 2004 6:51 pm

I tried that and got my **** kicked so not really sure I want that to happen again.

Perhaps a mod can confirm what you suggest is acceptable now - it certainly was not in the past.
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Thu May 06, 2004 9:30 pm

Paulc,

Why is it that you make a connection between the category "private" and not filling in construction numbers? Those are totally unrelated to each other.

It is indeed still possible to use the "Private" category on the upload page as long as it's not removed, but your selection will surely be changed at some later moment by a database editor to "Untitled" (in case no titles are visible). The term "Private" is incorrect, because an aircraft without titles is not necessarily a private aircraft.

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Thu May 06, 2004 9:35 pm

The term "Private" is incorrect, because an aircraft without titles is not necessarily a private aircraft

I think this is exactly Paul's point - he want's to use "private" when he is uploading what he knows to be a private aircraft and thus distinguish these from a range of other possible "untitled" candidates.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Thu May 06, 2004 10:56 pm

Well said Colin.

Ad,

the vast majority of light aircraft I upload are private, just because they do not have titles does not mean they are not private. Owner info is available on various web sites but are you suggesting that is included on the upload page.
Executive jet owners can get very touchy when information is published.

My definition of a 'private' aircraft is one which is not operated by a recognised airline hence its use for GA/Warbirds/Executive jets.
At the time this was changed several photographers did query the decision but were ignored.

As for the c/n issue - it is/was a protest at having the private category removed - reinstate it (or at least allow private to be selected under 'others') and normal service will be resumed.

You now have a situation where untitled covers a vast range of aircraft making any searches far more difficult. How would you classify the all white / untitled 747 that operates for EL-AL - by your rules it should be untitled.
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Fri May 07, 2004 12:17 am

Hi All,

Yesterday I corrected around 200 pictures, big chunk of those pictures had wrong customer number (or no customer number at all),and wrong aircraft version. I have no idea how it is possible to upload picture of Boeing 737-500 and then add customer number with different aircraft version. I think that most of the poeple still don't use "I feel lucky" button.
Sample:
Fieldname Photo id XXXXXX ( 0 )
aircraft Boeing 737-5...
aircraft_generic Boeing 737-300

or

Photo id XXXXXX ( 0 )
Boeing 737-76Q
Boeing 737-800 (BBJ2/C-40)

My point is, that if photographer doesn't have extra 30 seconds to find out what is the correct version of the aircraft he took picture of, then why screeners should accept his picture? In my opinion it should be rejected as badinfo. This thing is common not only with new photographers but also with people that are uploading to this site for a long time. And judging by the names of those photographers, screeners don't check their pictures throughly as they do with new photographers. Because he is one of the top photographers on this site he gets minumum screening. And I'm not making this up (I wont meantion any names because I don't want to blame anyone, I would like all photographers to selfscreen their pictures twice before uploading them here).

Another thing with the construction number is that some photographers still create their own format for entering the data. Here is few samples from just ONE photographer. This is how he enters the data:

D-ABBA (n30570-879),
G-CPEV (n29943/871)
OO-TUA (cn 24127-1707)
OO-VBR (cn 24314 / 1680)
G-DHJH (cn 1238) (n1238)
G-IGOJ (cn 28872/3082) (n28872-3082)

I guess some people will never learn.  Smile

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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Fri May 07, 2004 4:17 pm

Some people can't even manage to use this website correctly - the Auto Complete function obviously wasn't used for this upload. Uploading this as a Boeing 747-438/ER and it's in actual fact a 747-4H6.


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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun May 09, 2004 6:30 pm

Well, In my opinion the Auto Complete function needs a lot of fine tuning.
Sometimes it gives 3 to 4 aircraft models. 2 different c/n numbers and sometimes it won't and sometimes no ln is in the auto complete.

maybe we should create a kind of buffer. A screener can except reject the photo, reject the photo for baddate of incomplete data.

So, If three screeners gives the photo for ok to be added to the database, but one of the screeners marked it for data errors. The Photo should move to a hold. The photo is then not added till the corrections are made.

maybe an idea?
 
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun May 09, 2004 8:53 pm

Baddate??? IMO, this only can happen when sometimes meeting colleague photographers...  Acting devilish  Laugh out loud
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Sun May 09, 2004 10:00 pm

Baddate??? IMO, this only can happen when sometimes meeting colleague photographers...

LOL, ofcourse I mean bad data.
 
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Tue May 11, 2004 5:27 pm

am correcting loads of my pictures adding 'PRIVATELY OWNED' in the remarks column as getting nowhere in getting 'private' category reinstated.

ps - over 44000 a/c are now listed as untitled (over 3000 as unknow) - hate to think how many of those were 'private' before the change and are now together with genuine 'untitled' aircraft as opposed to private GA aircraft.

Please please reconsider bringing private back in some form!
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Wed May 12, 2004 4:07 pm

Have also found several where an operator has been added yet no sign of titles on the aircraft - very inconsistant and frustrating having to correct data added by others which is wrong.

Bring back the PRIVATE category asap !!!!!! and clearly state that it is to be used for 'light' aircraft only

60 corrections made today - hundreds more to follow
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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Tue May 18, 2004 12:54 pm

I'm surprised that so many photographers are so supportive of filling in the CN. I think it's totally ridiculous.

If someone wants such specific information, then that individual should do the research on their own, and spare all the photographers and the screeners. Even with the "I feel lucky" button, there is still sooo much information that we must fill out. Often times, I fill everything out and forget to add a filename... which means going back and doing it all over again. Now, I have CN to worry about!

So after hours of editing, researching CNs, and uploading... a huge percentage of the pictures are rejected and all that time has gone down the drain!

Am I the only one that sees it this way?


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RE: Screener Request: Please Enter Cn When Uploading

Tue May 18, 2004 5:48 pm

Hi All,

Thanks Tasmin for starting this thread. As a screener, I know that quality is often the focus. Information is just as important.
While screening, I'll often correct small errors (i.e. As Craig pointed out, the Qantas VH-OED is a 747-4H6 not the typical 747-438).

Any other error may warrent a rejection. A missed cn is not a rejection reason, but points the finger at one being far too lazy. It doesn't take long to find a correct msn/cn.

Airports not on the normal drop down list should be found and formulated in the correct way. For that I refer all of you to:
http://www.wapf.com/world

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