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Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sat May 22, 2004 12:19 pm

I'm posting this on behalf of a friend of mine who's an a.net photog:

During my last trip, I took, of course, a lot of shots and sent some to a.net. One of this shot was a cabin shot taken in-flight on a BA Triple-7. It was rejected for “badpeople”. Here’s the shot:

http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00118025&size=large

I then appealed the rejection because I honestly thought the picture met a.net standards. Hours later, the picture was being screened by the Editor-in-
Chief of Airliners.net. The appeal was rejected. Of course I was unhappy with the decision but I thought next time I would wait a different situation to take a cabin picture.

What really get me angry was the following. Some little hours later, this shot was accepted in the database (and got a few hits eh?):


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Photo © Marlo Plate - IBERIAN SPOTTERS



And then this one….


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Photo © Alexander Kueh



I was wondering what was the reason for those decisions was. Not that those pictures aren’t nice. In fact, I like them a lot as it shows how it was in the cabin during the flight. The point is that it is personally really frustrating to see my work rejected while something very similar got accepted.

Now I would like to quote something I got in the appeal rejection e-mail:
You need permission from the people pictured on the photo to be
allowed to publish it. Generally we do not accept photos with
people on them as our database is primarily for airliners. There
are some exceptions though. The rule essentially is that the
primary subject of the photo must be the aircraft, not the
person. If the person is clearly recognizable (facing the camera,
clear mention that permission was given by that person must be
stated in your remarks.

Regarding my picture, I do not see anyone facing my lense. The only person I see is the woman in the left-hand aisle with the man searching for something in the overhead bin. Correct me if I’m wrong , but the lady is far for being the primary subject of the picture. The primary subject was the overall cabin, showing the PTVs in the dark cabin atmosphere, plus showing you how nice the BA 777 cabin., .Plus, I personally think she’s isn’t clearly recognizable as some passengers are in some a.net cabin pictures in the database.

Now I know that screening can’t be perfectly regular. I know screeners are doing a hard job and that the decisions may be difficult from time to time. I’m just a honest photographer who gave his best to bring you something nice (plus there are not loads of BA 777 cabin pictures in the database).

Any comments/feedback/help/explanations would be much appreciated. Thank you.

Regards,

Alex Grégoire-Denicourt




 
vafi88
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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sat May 22, 2004 12:25 pm

I think it's the people that are standing up that are causing a distraction...

Anyway - I think all of the shots that have tops of people's heads in them are horrible. Can't you be the last person out and then take the shot???
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Skymonster
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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sat May 22, 2004 4:42 pm

Its badpeople IMHO.

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qantas744
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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sat May 22, 2004 5:53 pm

If permission is required from the people in the picture for it to be published on Anet how come it is ok for MyAviation? The law applies equally to both sites I would have thought.



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patroni
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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sat May 22, 2004 6:14 pm

@Vafi88:
Anyway - I think all of the shots that have tops of people's heads in them are horrible. Can't you be the last person out and then take the shot???

Just thought the same... in my eyes for cabin shots, any people are "badpeople". But guess that this is just a matter of taste...

Cheers,
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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sat May 22, 2004 6:23 pm


If permission is required from the people in the picture for it to be published on Anet how come it is ok for MyAviation?

See this thread
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/131963/

Reply No 34 from Johan:
These are the rules of Airliners.net, whatever happens at MyAviation.net is not relevant

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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sat May 22, 2004 7:17 pm

You could also try to blur the face of that lady, then she won't be recognizable. (sounds silly, but could be worth a try).

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call BA and ask for her address  Love

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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sat May 22, 2004 7:57 pm

Very bad idea to blur the face.


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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sat May 22, 2004 8:03 pm

Maybe an effective and clear rule should be issued on that matter, so nobody would be confused when uploading photography showing people.

Something like: No faces should appear anytime (front, side) on the pic unless permission is given.
Picture showing head from the back is ok till it doesn't become primary subject of the shot and the person portrayed is not recognisable.

Just an idea...

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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sat May 22, 2004 8:07 pm

Hi all

Maybe the Badpeople is Father Ted on one of the screens  Wink/being sarcastic

Looks like him to me.

Cheers

Gary
 
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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sat May 22, 2004 8:18 pm

I can't believe they are still showing that episode, I think it's been on Omnia for the last six months Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sat May 22, 2004 10:31 pm

I think this shot, combined with the previous discussion, illustrates appropriate use of badpeople. On a commercial flight you should have a reasonable expectation of privacy - you could be flying for many reasons and you may not wish the fact to be public knowledge. In cabin shots I don't think there should be a possibility of recognising any passenger.

Aside from any individual problems this may cause, I can't imaging the airlines would be too happy - pax may complain to them about allowing cabin photography - next thing know all onboard photography gets banned.

If, however, if you turn up in an aircraft at a public airshow, then yes, it is not unreasonable to assume your photograph will be taken.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sun May 23, 2004 1:30 am

Well if it is any consolation, I would have dumped it for badscan instead. The bottoms of the bins are grainy and there are oversharpened parts. It doesn't help to have any clearly identifiable people either. I, personally, prefer shots of empty planes.  Smile
 
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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sun May 23, 2004 6:24 am

Here's goodpeople:


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Photo © Daniel Werner





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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sun May 23, 2004 11:35 am

"If the person is clearly recognizable (facing the camera,
clear mention that permission was given by that person must be
stated in your remarks."

I think the rule is clear. Unfortunately on a.net it is not adhered to. All three of those examples have recognizable people in them. Take the 3rd one for instance. The lady in red on the right side. Maybe she's getting away from her abusive ex-husband and thinks she has made it without him knowing where she is. It works up until he's looking at a.net photos. Damn he says, she's in Australia. It's a reach, but it could happen.

The best way to screw up a good photo is put a person in it. The best way to screw up a used airplane cabin shot, is to take it.
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RE: Another Case Of Badpeople... Help Needed!

Sun May 23, 2004 8:01 pm

Here's goodpeople:

With out a shadow of doubt that is goodpeople  Big thumbs up

If that lady was to open her eyes and see what was above her head I think she would be pretty much crapping herself!

I wander if the guys up front saw her? They must of had a joke about it Big grin

As for the badpeople, Alex, I think its where the chicks face is visible to the left. Bit of a badscan me thinks also.

Regards,

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