cancidas
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Getting Hassled

Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:12 am

today when akbar and i set out to pawtucket to take care of a few things for my cousin we stopped at planeview park for about 45 minutes. in that time period, we were approached by police twice, they wanted to know what we were doing. in both instances it was NYPD. neither time did they "hassle" us. we just talked, even snapped a few pix while they stood there with us, though they did ask to see our IDs. we even had a good laugh with them when an FDNY EMS captain came to wake up two of his sleeping paramedics.

i'm wondering how those photographers that say they were hassled behaved with the cops there. i think that if you just stay calm and act rationally, like we did today, you wont have problems. if you act like an ass and make stupid threats and comments then they'll bother you or kick you out. in the end they just wished us a good day of shooting and left.

i've been on both sides of that blue line, and i have to say that the best thing is to not mouth off. don't immediately blurt out that you have the right to take pix there because maybe the airport authority prohibits it. be smart about it and you may just make a new friend and not an enemy.
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RE: Getting Hassled

Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:51 am

You're absolutely right Cancidas. However, the problem often stems not just from our attitude but theirs too. Unfortunately there are good cops and bad-attitude cops and/or security personnel. When you're lucky and you get the good guys, they will do their job, check you out and then let you get on with it, and everybody's happy. But when you get the jobsworth bad-attitude types it won't make any difference how nice you are to them. They only have one goal and that's to f##k your day up. It's just a question of who you get on the day.
 
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RE: Getting Hassled

Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:36 am

Very well said Cancidas, a lot of people could learn from your experiance today !

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RE: Getting Hassled

Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:13 pm

Cancidas,

how would you feel if they FLAT OUT LIED to you?

"The government has banned photography of airplanes."
That kind of crap.

The incident that go me ticked off in the other thread is that that flunkie LIED to us.



Back to LGA,

it's called PLANE VIEW PARK right? There are no signs that say PHOTOGRAPHY PROHIBITED. Exactly what do they accomplish by asking for ID. I would definately stay calm. But what exactly is the point?

What if they give you the ol' "Sir, you have to delete those shots."

Then, what would you do?


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RE: Getting Hassled

Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:08 pm

Honestly, I've never had a problem with cops before. Most, if not all of the ones I've run into have had the mentality of "let me talk to you for a few minutes, if my BS detector goes off I'll start looking deeper". If you were doing something wrong, or were planning to, I think they feel they would pick up on it. Thats why I have no problem with them coming to say hello and talking. Checking ID is a way to find something amiss, or to scare a legitimate baddie into making a slip.

It's the non-police people I've had problems with. Private security guards and other "officials". It seems like the photographer chum is the biggest fish they can find to fry, and they do it... and they don't even lube us up with butter before turning up the heat. If they bring the police into the situation, the cops see an argument between the photog and the uniform, and end it by seperating the two, which usually means the photog takes the hike. Can't blame em for doing so... they have the real evil-doers of the world to spend their time on.

Of course, there are the less friendly officers of the law. I just haven't run into as many of them as the good guys.

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cancidas
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RE: Getting Hassled

Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:21 am

Cancidas,

how would you feel if they FLAT OUT LIED to you?

"The government has banned photography of airplanes."
That kind of crap.

The incident that go me ticked off in the other thread is that that flunkie LIED to us.



Back to LGA,

it's called PLANE VIEW PARK right? There are no signs that say PHOTOGRAPHY PROHIBITED. Exactly what do they accomplish by asking for ID. I would definately stay calm. But what exactly is the point?

What if they give you the ol' "Sir, you have to delete those shots."

Then, what would you do?



well, for one thing i'd tell them that it's not true. the FAA and everyone else allows it. but that's no reason to blow a fuse or snapping at them. i for one would keep it calm, just like i did when talking to my manager about this matter. you just need to chill people, getting pissed and arguing with people will never help. if you piss off a cop they'll do whatever is in thier power to get you away from them which can include kicking you out.
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