KLGAviation
Topic Author
Posts: 234
Joined: Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:00 am

Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:22 am

Guys,

Something about this "shot" is quite alarming. Who can tell me what it is?  Nuts


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Andreas Beuermann



Your comments?

Chris
There is a fine line between a picture and a photo. The latter seems to be disappearing.
 
ChrisZRH
Posts: 404
Joined: Sat May 29, 2004 7:09 pm

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:39 am

if they keep on going like this they'll crash a few seconds later! this pilots on for a heavy turn!
Christian Galliker - AirTeamImages
 
Jan Mogren
Posts: 2014
Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2000 2:47 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:39 am

OMG...

I'm not at liberty to say what I think...
/JM
AeroPresentation - Airline DVD's filmed in High Definition
 
DLKAPA
Posts: 7962
Joined: Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:37 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:40 am

Could it be that it appears the aircraft in which the photographer is sitting appears to be turning straight into the other aircraft?
And all at once the crowd begins to sing: Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same
 
TWAMD-80
Posts: 962
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:25 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:40 am

It may be the fact that the airplane that the photographer is in is banking towards the other plane  Nuts

Tim
Two A-4's, left ten o'clock level continue left turn!
 
joe pries
Posts: 1922
Joined: Sat May 13, 2000 1:04 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:46 am

weird that on the cockpit, the shadow on the left side- the other airplane's tail seems to be in front of the shadow which would place the tail inside the other airplane's cockpit. Maybe i'm just getting old.

JP
 
chris78cpr
Posts: 2733
Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:44 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:55 am

Looks like a flight sim shot to me!

Chris
5D2/7D/1D2(soon to be a 1Dx) 17-40L/24-105L/70-200F2.8L/100-400L/24F1.4LII/50F1.2L/85F1.2LII
 
Mriya
Posts: 128
Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:14 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:02 am

Chris

Yeah looks like it to me too.. something about certain elements in that pic just doesn't sit quite right to me. Or it looks like a background editing job, as if the planes were pasted onto that backdrop.

Could be that the pic's just old or I'm seeing things. I'm not accusing, just dropping in my observations.
Currently not active in aviation photography or this site. Thank you for your interest.
 
User avatar
rg828
Posts: 568
Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:12 pm

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:10 am

The cockpit looks strange - the instruments are not in detail, regardless of the fact that its an external shot. There are other things too, but I'm not the one to judge anything here.
I dont know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everyone
 
LHRSIMON
Posts: 1314
Joined: Sat Apr 27, 2002 5:59 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:13 am

If its a flight sim all i will say its that one hell of a flight sim !!!!

The clouds look odd aswell. If you ask me the plane also looks like its been added to the photo.. (the tail and fins look very strange to me) Then again what do i know i new to all this  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Be it real or otherwise its still a great photo !!!
Canon 1D Mk III,Canon 20D+17-40 L f4.0,70-200 L IS USM f2.8,400 L USM f5.6,135 mm L f2.0, 50 mm f1.8,1.4 x II extender
 
User avatar
clickhappy
Posts: 9042
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2001 12:10 pm

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:20 am

looks like one of those photo backdrops used as a prop
 
SuperHornet
Posts: 111
Joined: Thu May 27, 2004 6:29 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:42 am

Okay I am going to give it a try but then I have to go hopefully someone will let me know if I am correct.

The sky has much more noise in it than the ground or aircraft features so I am going to guess that at least the sky is fake...also at least one of the plateus has been added.

someone let me know if I was right
Watch the ball
 
EGGD
Posts: 11880
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2001 12:01 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:13 am

Awesome shot!
 
DLKAPA
Posts: 7962
Joined: Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:37 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:19 am

Strange, I did a reg# inquiry on the aircraft in the picture, here's what I found:

http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/acmain.htm

N8346A is reserved

Type Reservation No Fee
Mode S Code 52665141
Reserved Date 09/11/2003
Renewal Date None
Purge Date 99/99/9999
Pending Number Change None
Date Change Authorized None
Reserving Party Name SAFE FLIGHT 21 PRODUCT TEAM/AND-510/ROBERT D SMITH
Street 800 INDEPENDENCE AVE SW
City WASHINGTON
State DIST. OF COL.
Zip Code 20591
County DIST OF COLUMBIA
Country UNITED STATES

This plane simply doesn't exist, otherwise there would be N8346 is Assigned, whereas the number is only reserved, to a man in Washington DC. Also, if there was an a/c flying with this registration, it would say what the a/c is. If there was an a/c flying with this registration in the past, it would list that as well. None appear.

I think we have a problem


[Edited 2004-06-19 00:20:49]
And all at once the crowd begins to sing: Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same
 
KLGAviation
Topic Author
Posts: 234
Joined: Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:00 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:21 am

Guys,

You're all right. I found everything in the photo to be strange... the noise on the aircraft does not match that of the background. The sky looks way oversaturated. The angles of the prop looks off to me, but I think I'm just looking too closely at the photo.

JP- you're right! The sun looks as if it is behind the plane yet the cockpit has light on the side closer to the photographer. Strange....

Thanks for your input so far guys!

Chris
There is a fine line between a picture and a photo. The latter seems to be disappearing.
 
User avatar
vzlet
Posts: 818
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:34 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:38 am

DLKAPA,

I don't believe that previous uses of an "N" number must be reflected in the database. In this case, "N8346A" has been used in the past,as documented in this NTSB report:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=57349&key=0

But, that aircraft does get around:
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Andreas Beuermann

"That's so stupid! If they're so secret, why are they out where everyone can see them?" - my kid
 
Skymonster
Posts: 3428
Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2001 7:53 pm

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:40 am

Gentlemen,

This photograph has been the subject of much debate in the past, both externally and by the screeners. Several photographers who I would regard as technical experts when it comes to image manipulation (which I think is being implied here, even if subtly or indirectly) have taken a very close look at this image but failed to find any conclusive proof of anything untowards in it. As it is a very old image in a.net terms (uploaded almost four years ago) I suggest we let sleeping dogs lie.

Andy
There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots
 
United4everDEN
Posts: 737
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:36 pm

RE: Interesting Shot...

Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:49 am

NM, letting the dogs lie

[Edited 2004-06-19 04:54:31]
 
con-pilot
Posts: 49
Joined: Fri Sep 20, 2002 3:07 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:02 am

The airplane in the picture is NOT airborn. As in it is not flying. The picture was taken while the aircraft was on the ground.

How do I know?

Look at the landing gear struts, they are depressed. If the aircraft was in the air the struts would be fully extended.

Dogs or no dogs, sleeping or not.

[Edited 2004-06-24 22:04:03]
Remember that different is different, not better or worse, just different.
 
RareBear
Posts: 540
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2004 4:11 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:15 am

It also appears that the lower half of the prop is still, and the upper half has been artificially blurred. Along with the depressed gear, it looks like the plane was photographed on the ground and superimposed on the Monument Valley image.
Illegitimus non carborundum
 
oly720man
Posts: 5740
Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 7:13 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:56 pm

And what's just inboard of the starboard main undercarriage strut (dark patch) and what's the white patch in the nose wheel strut.

Andy
wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
 
MUC_Spotter
Posts: 157
Joined: Wed Apr 24, 2002 4:26 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:29 pm

what I have noticed is that the right elevator overlaps the window reflection  Confused
 
Joge
Posts: 1386
Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2000 3:26 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:39 pm

LOL, guys!

Don't tell me that pic is f***...  Nuts

Anyway, the pic is (claimed to be) taken in 1995 and it's added to the DB year 2000. Not many DSLRs were used those days yet.  Insane

-Joge
Bula!
 
MUC_Spotter
Posts: 157
Joined: Wed Apr 24, 2002 4:26 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:58 pm

@Joge: who said this image was taken with a DSLR?
btw, there was/is still a material called 'film' to capture your images  Big grin, even in 1995
 
fspilot747
Posts: 3455
Joined: Mon Nov 01, 1999 2:58 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:04 am

"Look at the landing gear struts, they are depressed. If the aircraft was in the air the struts would be fully extended."

I'll second that. We've got that plane at our FBO. Looks just like that when it's on the ground, pulls out more when it lifts off. That, and that white patch inside the strut.

Also, look at the direction of the shadow on the handle bar on the fuselage. Doesn't match the sunlight coming into the cockpit. Oh, and the windows. The scenery from outside the windows is the same tint as the scenery outside. It should be way dimmer through those windows.

One more subtle clue. Look at the top edge of the tail. A trailing strip of "white," the same white in the nosewheel strut. And..why's he cruising with gear down anyways?

Just my observations, tho. I could be totally wrong.


FSP
 
WillL
Posts: 79
Joined: Sun May 20, 2001 2:39 pm

RE: Interesting Shot...

Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:11 am

"And..why's he cruising with gear down anyways?"

i think the gear lever may be jammed. i know i always retract in my warrior.
 
jetav8r
Posts: 282
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:01 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:19 am

If you had another airplane in a 45* bank about 10 feet above you, don't you think you'd be look at it instead of out the window?
 
KLGAviation
Topic Author
Posts: 234
Joined: Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:00 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:10 am

Well, I don't want to "fuel the fire" but check out the propeller. The top is blurred, but on the bottom it seems to be standing still...

Chris
There is a fine line between a picture and a photo. The latter seems to be disappearing.
 
bigphilnyc
Posts: 3874
Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2002 10:43 pm

RE: Interesting Shot...

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:41 am

I'm shocked no one has mentioned the clouds.

you see these Nintendo (video game) looking clouds covering the sky, yet not enough shadow on the ground to show for them.

that alone strikes me as weird, and I'm not one to negatively criticize pictures on the forum. :-p

-Phil
Phil Derner Jr.
 
Bronko
Posts: 795
Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2001 3:28 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:22 pm

If the plane that is banking was going to continue its turn, wouldn't it end up in or right behind the rudder of the other plane?

I am with Phil on the clouds too.
Jet City Aviation Photography
 
vafi88
Posts: 2981
Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2001 10:32 am

RE: Interesting Shot...

Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:43 pm

That's the first thing that came to mind... Not only do they look 'strange', but there simply aren't enough shadows to make them seem real... plus, who would clone in clouds for the hell of it?!!?!!?
I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 10 guests