futterman
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Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:11 am

Amigos,


I know I keep on rambling on about cameras every now and then, and it's about time for me to just shut up and get a damn DSLR already. I have the urge to post, though, so I figured that I'd share something that's been on my mind...

Colin's comment that film, and traditional SLRs have more to offer in terms of 'teaching' photography has made me seriously think about purchasing a 35mm SLR in the future.

A.net is steadily becoming a scene dominated by digital output, and I would really like to contribute to keeping slides and prints alive around here. Joe Pries' AuctionTransportation is one of the things making me eager to start a slide collection as well.

Going digital first seems to be a practical, although not 'traditional' move. It's ideal because it allows the photographer to get comfortable with shotting with an SLR body, and become familiar with the whole thing. Perhaps add an ELAN 7/7N/7NE for around US$300 in the summer of 2005 or 2006 (if I start flying lessons next year)--hopefully, glass wouldn't be an issue when the time rolls around.

Also, the cost of paying for 'practice' rolls of film or slides would be minimized, as, once again, the 'feel' for photography would already be there.

Maybe cut the cost this time around, spend $300--not $1,500--for a film camera and get a DSLR in a year or two when the price of a 10D would be considerably less? Then I can convincingly use the "SLR+Film=DSLR" technique.


Logical? Or am I just too eager and on the verge of insanity?


Brian
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chris78cpr
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:17 am

Go digital first!

Chris
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:08 am

Learning film is a very good thing. If you can find a course at school or elsewhere that teaches you things like B&W processing/developing/printing take it.

There are great advantages in digital, probably the greatest being the instant feedback. But learing how different films react to light, how prints from a fine grained film look as opposed to a rough grained ASA 400 can be, and the fun things you can do with both.

While the end result is a beautiful print the methods of getting there, one behind the computer and the other in a lab, are vastly different. Experience both, you will be the better photographer for it.

Tony
 
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:13 am

Way to go Brian!

A slide collection is truly a great thing to have and something you will treasure your entire life. A few AMS locals even started shooting some slides again. Having something to show at your local slideshow is just great Smile

ATR is probably a site that reflects an ultimate goal for many shooters. The selection of slides for sale there is just awesome and represents the best shooters in the hobby (excluding me of course  Big grin )

Tim
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futterman
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:53 am

I look forward to eventually working with both. It would probably be more financially sound to get a DSLR first off, as when I have a steady job, paying for film, development, and the camera wouldn't be so much of a shock. Should blow over easier with the parents as well.

...or do you think it may be better to, as I said, save the cash on the camera now and go for a regular SLR (adding digital when it should be cheaper in a year or so)? Help!

I feel like I could be jumping into this head first, jumping to conclusions. I really want to do digital, but really want to experience prints or slides as well.

Fast forwarding a bit, I know one has to be very meticulous when finding a developer for slides and prints. Does anybody do it in a darkroom of their own?

Any comments on the ELAN 7 series?

Tim, if it weren't for your post, I would never have known you even existed. Let alone shot slides...  Big grin


Brian
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:58 am

Brian I've been around for a while now, where've you been? Big grin

Tim
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:06 am

I have the Canon EOS 33/Elan 7 and I have only a few complaints.
The viewfinder is darker than the ones in previous Canons. AF isn't
impressive in low light situations. Canon have just released the improved
Canon EOS 33V/Elan 7EN.
Reviews on Elan 7: http://www.photographyreview.com/PRD_84913_3105crx.aspx

Anders

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futterman
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:23 am

Thanks, Anders. I saw a nice, full page ad for the 7NE in Popular Science. July 2004, page 27. "The extraordinary ELAN 7N/7NE. Incrediby fast. Remarkably sophisticated. Handle with care." Entising!
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:39 am

Brian-

My bro has the Canon EOS Rebel 2000 and loves it. Takes nice photos if you ask me, but it will certainly teach you what you need to know. Also, it's the camera that the 300D is based on. Reasonably priced as well, mind you. Only down side is that you'll be at the point where a lense will cost more than the camera.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I'm quite fond of it as well:

http://www.usa.canon.com/html/cameras_slr/eosreb2.html

Chris
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:58 am

Before I went digital, I did all my own slide (E6 process) and B&W processing. This isn't difficult, the key is to follow the instructions to the letter and be meticulous in cleanliness and procedure. I did this largely as a cost saving measure - I don't think there is much to be gained otherwise from processing your own film. It's not reallt a creative process. But if you have the space for a proper darkroom to print your own stuff - well that's a different matter altogether! Smelly, messy, time and space consuming ... but producing a print the traditional way is a special kind of magic.

Cheers,

Colin
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futterman
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:22 am

I guess I'll take a hint from Chris (Sharps) and work with digital first. Get my bearings in photography and all that it implies. You'll be hearing from me again when the time comes, I guarantee it.

The developing bit is starting to scare me, Colin.  Wow!

Thanks for the advice, Chris (Ryan). We'll talk.


Brian
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:27 am

brian, you have way to much time on your hands. stop thinking so much! i think you need a woman, though i don't know how any woman would react to you...
"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
 
futterman
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:31 am

though i don't know how any woman would react to you...

Neither do I, to be honest. Would you rather I was pimpin' it up the wazoo? I'm fine being single at the moment.

That has nothing to do with photography though. Oooh...wait...I know.

Speaking of developing stuff, why don't you develop a convincing sense of humor?  Big grin


Brian

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Dazed767
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:38 am

Honestly I miss shooting slides, and as crazy as this is going to sound, I miss scanning them too. I've been thinking about selling my N70 and getting a regular Canon SLR (I have more canon stuff than Nikon at this point). Who knows what I'll do....

Justin
 
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:21 am

Yeah, I don't use with the slides very often and maybe we can buy with new digital camera very soon and when I will get with the new job at PHX. Talk ya later!
 
futterman
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:30 am

Justin: I don't know what you're waiting for. I'm getting very anxious to finally give this a shot myself!

Scotty: Why don't you shoot slides anymore?


Brian
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:06 am

Gentlemen, I have also elected to do the same thing.

When I get my 300D back from the shop, I will also be carrying my other SLR with me and shooting K64 slides. I am going to establish a collection of Airbus planes on K64, because those are my favorite aircraft. Also I have the advantage here in DEN for that because of Frontier.

I will use my Minolta Maxxumm 4 with 28-80mm (50mm Ramp Shots) 70-210 and 70-300 Sigma

I cannot wait to have a slide collection going. I have to thank Mr Terry Nash and Kevin Trinkle for the tips so far.

Aaron Mandolesi
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Tue Jun 22, 2004 3:48 am

I used an EOS30 (Elan 7e) for over a year to learn SLR photography, before switching to 10D. The EOS 30 was relatively cheap compared to the lenses and I was able to take the lenses with me when I went digital.

As far as showing images goes, nothing beats projecting a Provia or K64 slide onto a large screen. However, this is for family and friends only.

Conversely, there is no easier way to show your pictures to the global Internet community than by having them on a native digital format.

To get the most enjoyment from digital, I treat the RAW file as I would a slide. I try to expose correctly, get it level and full frame the aircraft, rather than just shoot any old how, and then rely on rotate, crop and levels.

Regards,
Craig.
 
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RE: Digital To Film: Worth A Shot? (Pun!)

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:42 am

Brian, you probably won't develop your own slides. I send mine to Kodak's Fairlawn plant and have them returned in 8 days.

The only two-cent advice I can offer you is about processing. With a DSLR, you will be doing your own post-processing. It's a requirement, which will take time. With a film-based SLR, you can choose to have others (a lab) process the image for you. If you choose to have a lab process the image, like I do, you have to get the shot dead-on before you press the shutter button. After the button is pressed, your photographic skills are no longer needed. I like that - because my work is over at that point.

And I cannot get past the fact that a slide is something physical. You can hold it ... your hard-earned photo ... in your hand. It's an original that cannot be duplicated to the same exactness. You can stamp it, sell it, trade it, show it ... it will forever be your photo. Well 50 years anyway...

Can't wait to see your first few shots Aaron!

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