Setjet
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Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Sun Jul 04, 2004 3:55 am

Simply put: Where are some good photo locations airside (with full ramp access...) at Frankfurt Airport? I am more into runway shots and was wondering where to find good locations where one can hang out for a while with a camera without causing any suspicion.

Any other Frankfurt spotters out there?
 
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:47 am

well, Frankfurt is pretty good for approach shots or take off shots at rwy18. But full ramp access is impossible without an airport ID card. However you can get close to rwy18.

The most important thing is that you don't get bothered by police at all. In 15 years at Frankfurt airport I just had to show my ID card one time.

You need about 50mm-300mm lenses (non digital) to get full frame side shots.

18 departure (late afternoon):

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Just look at my other shots from Frankfurt and you get an idea. If you have some more questions let me know.
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Sun Jul 04, 2004 7:01 am

Where are some good photo locations airside (with full ramp access...) at Frankfurt Airport?
Do you have ramp access?
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:31 am

"Simply put: Where are some good photo locations airside (with full ramp access...) at Frankfurt Airport?"

like at any other airport on this wonderful planet....close to the RWY's....where else??????

Vasco G.

 
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Mon Jul 05, 2004 4:49 am

Thanks Ralf for the information. Yes, I have ramp access and obviously the best spotters place would be in the middle of the runway, unfortunately it is a little risky.

I was more looking for some spots where I can park my car close to a runway without blocking any traffic. Even better would be a spot which you can reach by foot from the terminal or with the "INT" Bus Line.
Also, I have nothing against meeting fellow A.netters there...  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Mon Jul 05, 2004 4:58 am

Do you mean the same kind of Ramp Access we are talking about? We mean by Ramp Acces the type of access where you can get extremely close to the ramp, inside airport property. You definately cant drive your own car there or meet up with other members, so I guess you mean something else.

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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:20 am

Nice wording, Wietse.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Same kind of Ramp Access... really nice.

I guess it's getting kind of funny.
Either Setjet really got Ramp Access and just want to tell us about that or he doesn't know what it means.
I'm curious...

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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:56 pm

I try my best to explain it:

Working for a handling company at the airport I have obviously ramp access (I know pretty much what it means  Big grin ) and I also have a car that I can use on the ramp.

I think I am not the only A.netter working on the apron and I was looking for some tips for good photo locations on the ramp where I you can park your car and hang out for a while without being in the way of somebody (believe me, that's not very easy in Frankfurt!).

I discovered the small Fire Station just south of Terminal B with some space to park and a great view or runway 27/09.

Any suggestions are welcome! And no, I didn't post this just to let you know that I have access to some areas on the apron. No offence please!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:28 pm

Setjet,

please, don't understand my post as a provocation... It just sounded a little funny to me.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Fire Station sounds good to me. What else you could do is park your car on the other side so you have the Terminal Building on your pictures and the light is probably better. Well, maybe it isn't too easy to find a place for your car with all the military action over there.

When exactly will you be in AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA?

Mario
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:16 am

SetJet,
you're a lucky guy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I would also propose the General Aviation Terminal in the south. You are close to 07R/25L and close to the taxiway with some taxing traffic from terminal 2, military ramp, GAT and southern freight apron to rwy18 . You have good light until the afternoon.
Also the rwy18 line up. There is a big parking lot for airport employees. Good light in the evening.
Another spot is near the 25L threshould when you follow the road from terminal 2 to the southern airport area.

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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:56 am

I don't want to sound rude in any way, but for someone who "is out on the ramp on a daily basis" you have very little knowlegde about your work area.......

Keep in mind that photographing on the ramp is technically not allowed unless you have a permit to do so.

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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Tue Jul 06, 2004 7:40 pm

Vasco, I just started my job a couple of weeks ago, sorry, I wasn't born with a profound knowledge of the Frankfurt Airport Apron.

Thanks for the input anyway. I didn't know that photography isn't allowed on the apron in general. Only in the US of A or anywhere?
 
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:27 pm

Vasco, generally I don't think you can compare the situation in Germany and the US. I never heard that Fraport would even issue a "permit". Actually I think, they don't care.
And believe me, the apron in Frankfurt is big and mostly very bussy, there is hardly any place where you can park without being in the way of anybody. That's the reason why I was asking...
 
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:42 pm

Setjet, why park? Stay in the car and if you should be in the way of somebody, just reposition yourself.

Bear in mind: for somebody just started the job, you need to do it on a low profile basis, otherwise your colleagues and chiefs start to be jealous or don't like your behaviour while on paid duty...
 
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:55 pm

Deary me. What precious little flowers we all are....

The man is simply asking if anybody knows where he can shoot. The fact he has ramp access and doesn't know is perfectly understandable; there is quite probably nobody he works with that is interested in aviation photography, and he may even be hoping to hook up with someone who can show him some spots.
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:20 am

Setjet (do you have a real name too) as I don't like to talk to strangers...

"Vasco, generally I don't think you can compare the situation in Germany and the US. I never heard that Fraport would even issue a "permit". Actually I think, they don't care.
=> Yes certain individuals (airport ops) do care if they see you with a camera in your hand snapping pictures!
I believe you should read the fine print on your application for the ramp badge. And you are right, you cannot compare the situation in the US and Germany. Before 9-11 it was a piece of cake to go out to the ramp in the US. In Germany it wasn't. Nowadays a different story.


And believe me, the apron in Frankfurt is big and mostly very bussy, there is hardly any place where you can park without being in the way of anybody. That's the reason why I was asking..."
=> I have been out on the ramp at Rhein Main various times and there are spots to park the car. Give it a shot. If that does not work, you can still stay in the car.

Vasco G.




 
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:43 am

Vasco, you can call me Christopher  Big grin

Too bad they didn't give me a copy of my badge application, otherwise I would have checked. I remember that I read all (!) fineprint and can't remember reading anything about photography. But propably you are right.
I always tried to keep a low profile, in the US and elsewhere. Still I have about three "encounters" with the police at US airports and none elsewhere.

Vasco, how did you get on the ramp? Was it with an organised tour or through the Frankfurt spotters association?
 
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:57 am

Christopher,

a low profile is always a good thing.
How I got on the ramp? I just know people.......
Have nothing to do with any spotters association!

Vasco
 
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:12 am

I think SETJET is asking directions for good photographs at Frankfurt. I will be going at the beginning of August and would be grateful for a couple of quick directions, bearing in mind I wont be in a car.

I would like to know of any good spots just in case the terraces are closed for some reason when I arrive.

Thanks for any help, Cheers

Steve.
 
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:53 am

Steve,

the terrace (Terminal 1) should be open in August. The 2nd terrace has been closed since Sept. 11, 2001 & is likely to remain closed.

Except for the terrace there are just 2 decent spots (if you want to call the terrace decent  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)
One is located at the eastern perimeter, close to autobahn A5. You can either walk there from terminal 2 (about half an hour) or you can go from terminal 1 by bus. This way it's just an 8-minute ride & another 5-minute walk. The bus stop is "US Air Base", bus line is OF-64, terminates at "Dreieich-Offenthal." From the bus stop just go where the planes are.

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Important to know: This spot is most useful when westerly winds occur, ie when Rwys 25L & 25R are in use. Over the weekend it can get pretty packed (passing cyclists get bitchy at times  Wink/being sarcastic) but there's enough space. It's really the prime location in Frankfurt.

The other is the platform close to Rwy 18. Difficult to get there without a car. A taxi should be the best solution. It's located right beside Rwy 18, at the tunnel entrance. You can take photos of departing aircraft (in use all day) &, if Rwys 07R & 07L are in use, of arriving planes.

Thomas
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RE: Best Spotter Locations: FRA Airside?

Sun Jul 11, 2004 1:40 am


Thomas,

Great info, thank-you.

I have taken notes and will give it a try.

Thanks for your help.

Best Regards, Steve.

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