ola
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Cropping Preference

Sun Jul 11, 2004 6:45 am

So, here you can see two different photos. The question is very simple: which one do you prefer when cropping image? Of course it depends on the picture quality, background appearance etc. But let's forget about those things and think simply which appeals more to the eye, generally.


A) Wanna see the whole plane. No wing cutting, the plane must be visible as entirety in the picture, no matter if the plane body is balanced to the edge of the shot.


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B) Just cut away the rest as long as "the center of gravity" is in the middle of the shot. The balance is now better but part of the wing is missing.


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I would go for alternative B.
 
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RE: Cropping Preference

Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:23 pm

I prefer the cropped one, where I would shoot it cropped from the beginning, not in PS. The shot you've shown (my one) I liked however due to the level of trees at the bottom of the frame, it kind of brings that whole Scandinavian feel into play... But as a general rule, I like cropping out wings, just not too much! This is what I mean, and yeah, it's a plug but I want to show you anyway!!  Smile
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RE: Cropping Preference

Sun Jul 11, 2004 1:23 pm

You would find that both publishers and professionals prefer the balanced shot over the overall view.
If you want the overall view the there should be some more space in front of the aircraft to balance the CG of the photo.
irrespective of crop it is a photographic standard that the photo must be balanced.
IMO(and many others) it should be a rejection reason to have a non balanced photo as it is a fundamental problem.
Just having the wingtips equidistant from the frame edges flies in the face of some of photography's most basic rules.
Bad centering should be changed to bad balance and bring us back to some correct photography basics rather than teaching poor fundamentals which we do at the moment.
Balance is what its about not distances.
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RE: Cropping Preference

Sun Jul 11, 2004 2:19 pm

Olli,

Rules are something to deviate from. Don't get wrapped up in them. Shoot what pleases your eye. Some of the most boring photos follow all the rules. Some of the best photos break many of the rules. Some purposely, some by accident. It is the subject and the way you present it that makes the picture, not the rules.

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RE: Cropping Preference

Sun Jul 11, 2004 3:02 pm

Speak of the devil! I was just thinking about this very topic today.

Personally, I feel that B is MUCH more visually appealing. I find the shots where the two wingtips are "exactly 30 px away from the edge" to be extremely boring, very predictable. However, when you crop tighter, and put the COG in the middle of the photo, it brings out the charecter in the plane; makes them appear larger and stronger.

Chris

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RE: Cropping Preference

Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:53 pm

I like both examples. Normally, I would prefer example B, but here it looks a bit too wide-angleish, too much from below. A combination of A's angle & B's cropping looks best to me:

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Btw, my favourite angle for approach shots is this one:

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Tightly cropped, but engines visible, belly lit & the crew shown at work ... can it get any better than this?

Thomas
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Dehowie
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RE: Cropping Preference

Sun Jul 11, 2004 5:24 pm

HI Jeff
I agree that rules can be broken and in many cases it can make a better photo.
However if you let a photo go the most photogenic one will fall flat on its base not onto one corner.
In this case its a simple matter that balancing a photo will in general give you a better looking photo.
Balance and 1/3 rule and you really can't go wrong.
Except at A.Net.
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RE: Cropping Preference

Sun Jul 11, 2004 5:53 pm

I've always thought too that balance is the main thing. Now it seems like most of you agree with me.

But, for example smoky landings, whirling up snow/dust/water during takeoff and so on are definitely exceptions.


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RE: Cropping Preference

Sun Jul 11, 2004 6:12 pm

Yeah, sure, there's always exceptions to the rules. If not, this would be a very boring and predictable web site. The crop is good when it has been done well, perfectly. In shaving a side of a cowl off, or too much of the tailplane, then it's not going to seem balanced as you put it. So, yes, balance is the key phrase here probably, as we can all see if a photo is or isn't balanced, even if it's a great shot. We probably all know what we want, yet go about it in different ways and methods.
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