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Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:50 pm

I was curious as to how everyone gets their big hitter shots. Photographers either have;

-Luck, where your only shots on airliners.net are big hitters. This applies to people who have 1, 2, maybe even 3 shots with a few thousand hits or to people who get lucky shooting something like a 747 showing up at their airport wearing a new scheme, unexpectedly.

-Opportunity, where you have had the once in a lifetime shot, but you knew the plane was going to be there. You planned to take the shot in a specific way. This applies to you if you travel alot and get great air to air shots because you travel so frequently, thus opportunity.

-Skill, where you can take any plane, even a BA 320 at LHR, and turn it into something special using your photographic skills.


My pictures that are big hitters are luck. I don't fly enough to be in the opportunity category, but when I do, I seem to pull off great window shots of airport overviews.
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:02 pm

Planning.

You left out one of the most important things.
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:32 pm

Planning.

My experience with planning in the air to air arena is all based on what the recieving crews are going to give you. For example,you can plan plan plan and plan, but it actually happening is another story. We had a 4 ship of 117's that were supposed to meet up with us but, they had some timing issues and wanted us to go around their schedule which just wasnt possible at the time because our tanker was to land back at RIV and take off 15 minutes later to refuel a KC10 in NORCAL. So the planner did an excellent job and scrambled to get us a 2 ship of 117's and to everyones surprise, the crews were very willing to stick around for some formation photos after they filled up.

The F-4's were all about the photos from the getgo. Before we went up, we knew what we were going to get with them.

I just hope on the next flight, the crews are as flexible as these guys were.
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:43 pm

I kinda figured planning went into the opportunity area, as I said "but you knew the plane was going to be there" Keyword, knew. But then again, planning could be another category, so anyone can go ahead and use it.
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:00 pm

It's a combination of all, I think.
Luck + opportunity + planning =

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That's how a nice shot becomes a big-hitter Big grin

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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:57 pm

That's how a nice shot becomes a big-hitter.

I guess you are right because if it wasnt plugged, I wouldnt have seen the small version.  Big grin DOH!
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:26 pm

A poor photographer like me running around with a camera and taking a picture of a weird, freshly painted, pink aircraft which just rolled out of the hangar. Luck I guess.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:41 am

Luck + Opportunity + The Little Skill I Have = My Favorite Shots

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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:22 am

there is no such thing as luck.

All luck is is opportunity + prepardness.
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:04 am


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A little luck and opportunity in that shot. It may even make the shot of the day if it keep going at the rate it's going at. Smile I didn't think my cheap little camera (only cost $180) would ever get a picture with that many views.
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:19 am

The biggest factor in getting a big hitter photo is luck of timing. Get a solid shot accepted at the right hour and you'll see it on the front page. Get an absolutely BRILLIANT shot accepted at the wrong hour, and it'll dissapear on page 3 of the 24/48 hour most popular.

As for getting the really awesome shots, with no regard for hits... then its the same with most everything else in life -- it's all about having the right connections. Networking. Knowing the people that get you the oppurtunities... from there, it just takes a little luck/skill/equipment combo to take the advantage and have the stuff that you friends will drool over.

-Mike

P.S. the last paragraph there was actually pulled from Dating101.com with the word 'girls' changed to 'shots'.
The best aviation photo I've ever taken was rejected by Airliners.net
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:35 am

There is such a thing as bad luck though, I know that, like standing on 27R and seeing this through your lens:




Then there is also luck ;o)

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what seems to be the officer, problem?
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:51 am

I create my own luck. If I miss an airplane on a wrong runway, I just get an awesome shot of a standard plane where I am. Its a win-win situation
Wietse de Graaf
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:15 am


So it would not bother you in the least if Wunala came down on 18R and youre at 06, getting an awesome shot of Transavia 737? It would bother me =)
what seems to be the officer, problem?
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:37 am

And if you're happy in getting an awesome shot of said Transavia and you seem to be creating your own luck, then what's the deal with speed skating Wietse??  Big grin
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:46 am

Planning, experience and a hint of luck for this photograph.

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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:39 am

Hell, ANY good shot I get is probably luck...  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:55 pm

Yes, I would rather have an extremely good shot of a Transavia 737 than an average one of Wunala.
Wietse de Graaf
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:13 pm

there is no such thing as luck.

Hmm, well I'm sure luck plays a part in my pics - if nothing else, I'm dependent on the English weather  Smile

Seems to me its a very brave man who insults the good lady by doubting her existence!

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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:56 am

Plugging time,

Pure luck


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Skill?

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And with this gorgeous plug, I receive honorary citizenship of Elbonia  Big thumbs up

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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:07 am

dude.

How is taking a picture of a UA 763 in crap weather luck  Confused

and plugging the same shot twice, in the same thread? Haha rad.

That Ted shot is sweet, you cant beat a Sony 707 or 717 for static night shooting, the colors are surreal.
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:23 pm

"Yes, I would rather have an extremely good shot of a Transavia 737 than an average one of Wunala."

Confirmation that you're more a photographer than an aviation enthusiast  Big grin

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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:50 am

Royal,

The caption explains it. Of course, it would have looked better if the sun was out and I was on the ramp, instead of a plane, but hey, I guess it me the standards.

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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:17 pm

I agree, it's a combination of everything...planning, skill, timing, luck. Photography has been my hobby/passion for 30 years, with aviation photos a relatively new interest in the last 5 years. I've just uploaded my 1st photo to A.net, which I'm sure will be rejected (most 1st timers are so I hear) and that's fine. Having them posted isn't a priority. What is a priority is that I have fun, enjoy myself, meet new people, make friends and have airliner shots that please me and a collection of slides, prints and digitals, with the documentation, that I can look back on, remember the day and circumstances of the photo and relive a great day and a photo that pleases ME and that I'm proud of. To me, that's what aviation photography is..... (Just an A.net noobies observation)  Smile
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:41 pm

There are people who seem to have more luck than others, why? because of their dedication and being constantly observant.

So what people call "luck", not always is just "luck".

Luis
 
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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:57 pm

Sitting on the correct side of the plane helps too. People seem to like airport overviews for some reason I will never understand, so on a fairly sunny day in Rome I demanded a left-side seat behind the wing knowing I'd be able to take this overview of FCO. It's got 14.000 hits, which completely amazes me. I was hoping the cow-and-Dauphin on the right would become my top hitter (which was another combination of luck and planning: luckily happen to see a cow near a helicopter, and plan to stay there half an hour until she walks in front of it while your friends and girlfriend gripe.)


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And with that I succesfully completed my first a.net plug  Smile



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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:39 pm

For me it's "Right time, right place, right equipment."

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or luck as other says.

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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:49 pm


Planning: what time of day, what is the direction of sunlight, what spot to choose for taking pictures, listening to the ATIS (or channel 9 for AMS) to know where the traffic will go, looking up at timetables or internet to see if there is any abnormal traffic.

Skill: release the shutter at the right moment, composition, level the horizon, pan, zoom etcetera whatever it takes to get the airplane in frame, what zoomlens to use, what in-camera settings, not spoiling the camera buffer.

Luck: weather... always the weather, touch-down point, rotation point, incidents, birds, right place right time.

Did I leave something out? Ah yes, the plug of course:

This one was planned and I knew beforehand what the result would be. I knew the outbound peak after 7:00 PM could mean multiple aircraft to line up at V3. The spot at V3 is easily accessible. I knew the sunlight would be very good after 6:00 PM - so it was only waiting until a small Dornier took ages for the take-off checklist while these aircraft were waiting:

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And a shot like this one was luck:

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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:49 am

Of my three shots on the database, they are all the result of luck, opportunity, and skill.

These three shots have 31691 , 6857 , and 1295 hits.

Getting a sunset, sailboat, beach, and plane in one photograph on a 3.2 mp camera is no field day; I assume that is skill. Opportunity was great, it isn't everyday that I get to hang out at TNCM. Lastly,luck played a large part in it. My first photo uploaded had 30,000+ views which made my name stand out for a day or so. I know whenever I see a photo with a lot of hits, I click on the "Photographer" link to see what else they have.

I'll plug my (only) three shots. Can't hurt.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:23 am

Now this is planning.. I am sure he planned everything having to do with this shot, including the fog. No luck involved here.


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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:21 am

I have been taking pictures of airplanes since 1978. In all that time I have taken 1000's of pictures and have seen many things at the airport. I would have to say most of the time it would be timing and opportunity that gets 'the' picture. But just that one time it was pure luck that I was at the airport when this happened. I got to the airport a couple of hours early for a flight from TPA back to DFW when this airplane landed. I was the only one out there taking pictures.. luck, I would say so.


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RE: Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?

Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:08 am

It's a combination of all above mentioned factors. However planning, and just keep on trying to get that one shot in the long run will help your odds.
There's no luck on these M.Garfinkel shots. Sure, he had luck that the moon was in the right position . . NOT: that is planning and painstakingly trying time after time after time until he got the perfect shot he was looking for.

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My Concorde shot was planned. I travelled to LHR and gave myself 4 days to get a good shot. It was my first time at LHR so I walked the perimiter to find a good spot [surprise surprise: Myrtle Avenue]. I plannend the location to get the angle I wanted. However it was just plain luck to get the right weather conditions at the right time as the caption reads.
If I would have lived next to LHR and would get out everey day just to get this shot, than that's helping the odds to get the perfect shot. For me, it was just luck [the trick off course is to take full advantage of that moment of luck and make sure you get a good shot out of it . . . ].


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