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Please Explain This Photo

Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:48 am

Please explaine this photo:


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I just happened to be cruising at FL330 in my Piper Cub when this B747 came whizzing by. Boy! Was I lucky!
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:52 am

LOL I cant explain it but nice picture you are very lucky.  Big thumbs up Big thumbs up

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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:58 am

Ive emailed the photographer as a possible explanation ive had, its about developing tunderstorms that can sometimes create a "tunnel" effect, and has been reported in Bermuda.
But thinking of it, it may be that the Piper is just flying through the contrails, but it doesnt look it, as theres excess cloud in a semi-circle feature..
Its not the fall that kills u, its the sudden stop at the end..
 
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:06 am

Perhaps it's a small glimpse of the 747's wake, (not the full wake obviously because that is a different size and pattern).

Building thunderstorms can cause this type of effect too (as stated above).

A brave pilot to fly a piper that close behind a 747 (remember now there are no old bold pilots).

Phil
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:11 am

Planespotterx: It's time for bed. Your mommy made me say that.
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:12 am

lol Blackbird1331....shes probobally right..
Its not the fall that kills u, its the sudden stop at the end..
 
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:23 am

A good example of chemtrail trials.
 
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:30 am

"A brave pilot to fly a piper that close behind a 747 (remember now there are no old bold pilots)."

I don't think the poster was serious about that, I've never seen a cub at 33,000 feet. I'd imagine it was just a thin layer of overcast that the 747 flew threw and it's wake is creating that effect and the picture was taken from the ground. But that's just a guess.

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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:39 am

I've seen a 747 rip a hole in the low clouds like that, but it was on approach. Definitely a cool effect and congrats to the photographer for catching it.
 
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:49 am

Which raises the question of skill,opportunity or luck Big grin
 
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:51 am

I once saw an MD11 do the same thing at Kai Tak when departing from Runway 13. But the camera was in the bag.....so sad!

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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:23 am

Looks to me like the photographer was on the ground, the aircraft has just taken-off into something akin to a light mist or low cloud and it has just started swirling from the wingtip vortex.
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:24 pm

Are you suggesting the image is faked?

Seen something almost identical at MAN. A 747 went through a passing raincloud, at about the same distance this photograph was taken, and her wake produced a similar effect. Sadly, nobody had a lens that was long enough to capture it.
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Tue Aug 03, 2004 12:09 am

I've never heard of building t/storms having an effect like that (it would be a cool site,though)

This looks like Wake Turbulence, plain and simple. That shot is gonna get a lot of attention, it's spectacular!
 
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:12 am

Has no one here seen the ending to Die Hard 2?

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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:22 am

Wing tip vortices.

This photo

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is the opposite (contrail visible, fog invisible) of the Evergreen 747 (contrail invisible, fog visible). The condensation trail fills in the hole in the fog behind the 747.

End of story.

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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Tue Aug 03, 2004 2:11 am

How does one just "happen" to be there to capture such a moment?
I've heard that there are some people who spend significant periods of time standing around at airports watching aircraft. Perhaps one of them had a camera and captured this departing 747.

Stefan's shot gives an idea of how much air a large aircraft puts in motion as it moves through it. Some other examples, on a smaller scale:




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Photoshop.net

Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:02 am

Just posted this as a separate topic as couldnt find this one at first glance:

There are very nice photos on this site, from great photographers which are going to every way to get more pics on here. Of course people do use computer programs to enhance their pictures which makes them come out better in most instances. Today I stumbled over this photo, and ask myself what meterological phenomenon this may be?
 
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:57 am

F-WWKH

"and ask myself what meterological phenomenon this may be?"

Wake turbulence caused by a 747, didn't you read any of the posts above?
 
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:25 am

The Queen of the Skies can do weird things to clouds.

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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:55 am

I see where my Denmark/fish post has been deleted. I guess someone was offended by my remarks but with no explination from the offended party, only that "fair and friendly warning" e-mail from the forum administrators. "A low quality post", was the reason for the deletion.

Study replys 15,16 and 19 and you will see none of them actually come close to duplicating the photo at the top of the thread.

I have printed up a copy of the subject photo and will dine with friends in Denmark over a fish dinner.
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:07 am

Study replys 15,16 and 19 and you will see none of them actually come close to duplicating the photo at the top of the thread.

The Gulfstream in #16 exactly reproduces the top photo.

Study 15 and you will see that the rolled up wake of the A330 approaching the photographer more or less exactly reproduces the photo at the top. The contrail fills in the hole in the fog. Just because you can "see" different parts of the flow does not mean that the flows are different.
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:46 am

I suggested deletion of your comments because I beleive you are alluding to this photo being a fake. If you think something is rotten and you can offer convincing evidence that something is faked deal with it through the screeners and mods.

Coming out and calling something fake or just whispering an allegation is a serious issue for many photographers.

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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:02 am

On first sight I knew this photo was probably the best Belgian photo of the year. Anyway, I also thought: the 747 has just taken off from EBOS and flew through some sort of cloud layer that was broken up into a tunnel as soon as it flew through it. Nothing fake about it, just lucky  Wink/being sarcastic

Maybe it helps to know that EBOS is at situated at the sea?

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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:34 am

As I see it, the wake is not falling in on itself and to the rear of the aircraft. It appears to be about double the height of the aircraft, whereas the wake in post 19 is at the level of the wingtips and closing behind the aircraft.


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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:00 pm

Given you have no information about the relative positions of the aircraft or the cloud/fog, or the position of the photographer, it's impossible to say anything about the relative sizes of the aircraft or the wake effects.

The Miami jumbo is probably flying close to horizontal so from the photographer's perspective, the aircraft would rise relative to the cloud. In the Ostend photo the aircraft is climbing in a straight line so it will stay central in the hole in the fog - with the photographer probably close to the runway.

I would guess that the fog in Ostend is a lot further behind the aircraft than the cloud in Miami which the aircraft probably just flew through.

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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:30 pm

Different configurations, too. Landing and takeoff will create different amounts and durations of wake vortices, with initial take off and climb producing stronger and longer lasting vortices than landing.
Note also that the MIA 747 is a 400 model with wingtips. That will help reduce vortices to some extent as well. The photo in question is a 200 model with no wingtips.
I think it's a great catch and someone is jealous that they didn't get such a spectacular shot!
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:38 am

No,sir. I am not jealous. I might be jealous of this shot, because I was not there to see this:


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Or the shot that appears on the cover of the March1992 issue of Flying magazine. And I would not be jealous of the shot. Just the fact that he got to take it from the tail gunners position of a B-25. Paul Bowen was the photographer and I am sure many of you have seen the picture of the CitationVI over Lake Tahoe. A classic.
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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:49 am

Damn, it's off topic, but hey... I departed ZRH on HB-IOH just 1 or 2 hrs before that accident happend.... bad luck, i could not see it.

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RE: Please Explain This Photo

Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:50 am

INNflight: CFIcraigAPA introduced jealousy and spectacular, just trying to refine those adjetives. The Paul Bowen shot is topic related, I could not find it in the A.net database. I consider the tail strike more spectacular because they are rare to capture when purely accidental. The Paul Bowen shot was probably orchestrated.
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