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So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:05 am

I just got on the waiting list of the first French website to sell the 20D, it shall (les eaux) be mated to a 70/200 f/4.0 L.
Have any other of you ordered the thingy ?

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:09 am

Brian's going to BH as soon as preorders are accepted once again.

I'm coupling it to a 100-400 and 17-40.
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:35 am

I am going to be buying it (I hope).

My 300D will be placed in backup duties/wife use.

Brian,

I am glad you waited and didnt buy the 10D. Would have felt really bad for you if you baught it, and 2 weeks later, this baby came out.  Big grin
 
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:54 am

So where is the best place to buy the 20D in north america.... who has the best price....?? A friend went to NY to get the Canon 100-400mmL IS and he got a smoking deal on it.....

Thanks for the help,

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:46 am

Hello all,

I am planing to buy D20, but I am not decided if I should buy body only or with package with lenses. I am leaning towards to 17-85IS (not sure). So I can have a good glass. Than I will like to buy 70-200 f4.0L USM glass. I heard a lot of good stuff about this one, and it seems very affordable, compared to f2.8L.

I never up-loaded on a.net, but I have some nice pictures and I like to take pictures. I am using Canon T70 and I do not like scanning pictures. IMO the picture looses quality. One reason why I am going with DSLR!

I will prob. wait, until there are going to be some good reviews and than I will decide for sure.

Cheers,
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:45 am

Am not buying the 20D... yet (might change my mind in the course of next year)

Although very tempting and very impressive, I just don't feel like spending a new bunch of flying money while I've had my 300D only 6 months now, and am still learning how to use it. Maybe next year, who knows.

But true, I feel bad for those who just bought a 10D, or even a 1D just to discovers mere days later the existance of the 20D !!!

As for you, I think the 20D is the perfect replacement for your D30. Just don't trash your D30 yet, as you could just keep it for wide angle shots. Having a decond body is always nice ! (I felt like that at ZRH heliport today).

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:13 am

I want one, I just hope they have one in stock, when I place my order on the 20th.
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:28 am

i was going to buy a 2nd hand Canon D60, then this came along, lucky i'm headed to the US in december  Smile
 
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:02 am

what astounds me is that Aussie retailers are charging the same price for the 20D as the 10D, here a 10D body is about $2500AUD, the 20D body is the same price, would have thought the 10D would have decreased in RRP.

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:17 am

It's the same here, many places selling the 10D at the same price as the 20D, same with the 550EX and the new 580EX which in some places is cheaper than the 550...

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:52 am

Brian,

I am glad you waited and didnt buy the 10D. Would have felt really bad for you if you baught it, and 2 weeks later, this baby came out.



Thanks, Chad. It sounded like you were pretty satisfied with the 300D and saw no need to upgrade not too long ago.  Big grin I'm just pissed that everybody else is going for one, too! lol


For those that did go for a 10D recently (without knowing about the 20D), you have a friggin fantastic piece of equipment. I know that had I ended up with one, I'd be so cought up in it that any new model would mean jack "doo-doo" to me.


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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:10 am

I too am going to be pickin one up, and finally also getting my dream lense 100-400L IS. Futt, Like anyone would keep away from this camera  Laugh out loud.

I'm still promising you dibs on the first upload, but I HAVE second  Big grin
 
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:46 am

Count me in the club!
I just have to make some money for it... I'm planning to get it with a sigma 150-500 and keep my memory & lenses I have on the 300D.
I might get it in December.

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:56 am

I've already told my wife she does not need to worry about my Columbus Day, Halloween, Canadian Thanksgiving Day, US Thanksgiving Day, Hanikah, Kwaanza, or Christmas presents.  Smile

So yes, I will probably buy one. I am still bummed about the 6 shot RAW buffer, but am thinking the increased write speeds will help to mitigate that drawback.
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:46 pm

So yes, I will probably buy one. I am still bummed about the 6 shot RAW buffer, but am thinking the increased write speeds will help to mitigate that drawback.

I've heard that with the improved processing and write speeds, you can shoot off about 14-16 RAW before it gets cought up. Don't take my word for it, but I refuse to believe that it'll be 6 RAW...wait...6 RAW...wait...


Ed, first upload? Where'd you get that idea? It's a secret. I was supposed to burst on the scene with the first shot, surprise everybody, and get the top of yesterday.  Smile
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:52 pm

futt, stop lying. you know you're only getting the catalog picture of it...
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:56 pm

And taking it to kinkos to get it blown up to 8x6 so he can pull it out of his camera bag at the next meet....Hey guys check out my 20D.
 
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:13 pm

and futt sinks yet another notch...
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:30 pm

What the FUTT?
 
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:32 pm

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:29 pm

ok futt, what was the point in that? i know what my sn means.
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:55 pm

I'm not going to be getting this camera! I shelled out for a 10D a year ago and to be honest this camera does not offer enough of a performance change to warrant another £1200 spent! I'm surprised so many 300D users are changing theirs aswell! To be honest, i am still gonna wait a bit longer and get a mk2! Now that is worth the money for an upgrade. I see the 20D as another notch on canon's consumer market, thye will knock it out and by next september they will repalce it, and wait for the flood of people who are gonna upgrade. To me, i would rather spend $4000 on buying a camera that will last me 3-4 years and let me grow into and evolve my photography around than buy another £1200 digicam that will feel dated by the following year!

I mean, the 300D is now 8-9 months old, i guarentee that a succesor to that will be announched withing the next 3 months, priced well under £/$1000 and probably offering similar specs to the 20D!

I can understand why Brian will buy this as he does not have a DSLR, and he is buying into the currently best option! But for people who have 300D's/10D's and D60's i really wonder why bother???

Glass is a much more sound investment as it will lose very minimal money and will benefit your photography much more than an extra 2mp!!!

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RE: So...Who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:38 pm

Must admit that IM looking into upgrading my little S7000 which has served me realy well over the past months.... Trouble is my budget just keeps going up due to new models.

First it was a 300D , then a 10D. But now seeing as I can get a 20D for a couple of hundred more IM starting to think I may go for that !!!!!

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:53 pm

Two more Canon DSLRs rumoured to be being announced at Photokina later this month - a 1Ds replacement and a mid-range camera to fit in between the 20D and the 1DMkII. If this is correct, some of those who quickly jumped on the 20D bandwagon might come to wonder whether they did the right thing. Me, I'll wait a while - my D60 is getting slightly worn around the edges but will do until (a) Canon's DSLR line up for the second half of this year is clarified and (b) failing a digital equivalent of the EOS3 the 20D has its bugs ironed out.

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:02 am

I'm also going to wait for a while. If I do get a DSLR, it will be with a Canon L lens as well. I'll just use my employee discount at the shop!  Smile
 
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:53 am

I'm passing on the 20d. I don't need three dslrs. I am close to getting the 1dmkII, as I want the speed. Two or three weeks into the high school sports seasons, I'll have made enough for it, then the D100 will go up for sale, or maybe sooner as I hardly use it anymore. The 20d is attractive, and plenty fast for a lumbering airliner, but still a bit slow for action sports. Trying to get a baseball coming off a bat, a soccer ball off a head, or a football leaving a quarterbacks hands, etc., with a 10d or D100 is nothing but an exercise in frustration.
 
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:21 am

Hi Jeff,

Trying to get a baseball coming off a bat, a soccer ball off a head, or a football leaving a quarterbacks hands, etc., with a 10d or D100 is nothing but an exercise in frustration.

What are the limiting factors on the 10D / D100 that are preventing you getting these shots?

Cheers!

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:21 am

If you have a 10D, you'd currently get a good price on eBay in the UK as there are loads of people out their looking for good UK spec used cameras. There so many imports at low prices, but most people avoid these.

When the 20D arrives there will probably be a glut of 10Ds on the market and the used prices will fall. I just bought a 1D MkII and the dealer, LCE Southampton, (who offer fantastic service by the way) only offered £500 in part exchange. I sold mine for £800 privately.

With prices like that at the moment and suppliers in the UK doing the 20D for £1050 it's not a great deal to upgrade.

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:29 am

Everyone wants a 20D. Oh great, surely once the Screeners start seeing those 8mp images the upload standards will rise again.

Instead of a thread asking who is getting a 20D, I like speculation on who will have the very first 20D upload.
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:01 am

You won't see 8MP photos on here because they'll all be compressed JPG's viewed on our 72/96ppi monitors. Original file size has little to do with what you see on a monitor. Prints would be another matter.
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:02 am

I was going to invest in L glass this fall, but after seeing the 1600 ISO samples that my beloved 300D will NEVER be able to do - I'm hoping to have my 20D on the 20th. My 300D, along with my battery grip, will be on E-Bay the day after it arrives. The 300D is holding it's value very well, and I've seen them going for around $1,100 on E-Bay with the battery grip. I might throw in a couple of my redundant extras just to sweeten the deal!

Being nocturnal, the 20D is an almost necessary upgrade for me!

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:39 am

isn't the camera between the 1DS MkII and the 20D rumoured to be the new Canon EOS 3D? i heard about this camera in early feb of this year, so i am going to keep my eye out for EOS 3D, and eye's on EOS 10D and D20.
 
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:42 am

isn't the camera between the 1DS MkII and the 20D rumoured to be the new Canon EOS 3D? i heard about this camera in early feb of this year, so i am going to keep my eye out for EOS 3D, and eye's on EOS 10D and D20.

It's very likely that something's been in the works for a filler between the 20D and 1D MkII. Whatever it's called, it's not going to be anywhere close to $1500 or $4500--hence a filler camera (price wise). Probably something in the $2500-3500 range. If you can afford a body like that, by all means wait, but if not, the 10D or 20D is a great choice.
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:27 am

Chris78cpr: "I'm surprised so many 300D users are changing theirs aswell!"

The 20D improves upon my three main complaints with the 300D:

1) High ISO Performance: Way too much noise at ISO400 and above to be very useful.

2) 4 shot RAW buffer: I find this really cramps my shot sequences. I don't think I would rip off 20 shots of a single plane landing or taking off, but would like more flexibility than my 300D currently offers.

3) Limited control in creative modes: In the creative, or priority modes, I am forced to use evaluative metering. There are other functions and settings I would like more granular control over as well.

The day I purchased my 300D, I did not know enough regarding DSLR photography to even make the list above. The 300D has been an excellent camera, and I would like to keep it as a second body. I have learned a ton with it, but am now starting to feel that I have outgrown it.

With the announcement of the 20D, I am glad I purchased the 300D (+ better glass), than the 10D and less glass. I don't know if I could justify upgrading to the 20D if I currently had the 10D.

Also, anyone else noticing compact flash prices are dropping significantly? Perfect timing for those upgrading to a 20D.
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:50 pm

Well i find that hard to believe, my 10D produces perfectly reasonable shots at 800iso that are uploadable, and at 1600iso i can get shots that look ok with neat image!!!

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:09 pm

If I had the money, I still don't think I would. I've had my 300D since february, and I still feel I'm learning about it all the time.

There's such a huge world of things to shoot out there, I don't think I've even come close to exploring fully what I have at the moment.
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:21 pm

All,

I and a couple of my friends have secured our 20D's... I am also going to be using a a new range of Sigma lenses thanks to some recent photo sales.

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:38 pm

I was going to invest in L glass this fall, but after seeing the 1600 ISO samples that my beloved 300D will NEVER be able to do

I'd be careful about this - the samples I've seen are shot in ideal circumstances using carefully selected subjects and lighting. Your mileage will vary. In practice, good low noise results require extreme care in exposure, and good 1600s are possible with both the D60 and 10D, and should also be with the 300D.

It is true that noise levels in general should be better due to improved processing, however, putting 8mp on a sensor the same size as the 300D will work against this to some extent. Even my beloved Mk2 can only produce its great high ISO results if I get the exposure spot on - any hint of underexposure, and the noise levels skyrocket.

If low light work is really what you're after, I think investing in something like the 70-200mm 2.8LIS would serve you much better.

What are the limiting factors on the 10D / D100 that are preventing you getting these shots?

While both these cameras seem pretty responsive, and the shutter delay is measured in milliseconds, I was surprised how much "quicker" my Mk2 felt in comparison to the 10D. The specs don't seem to be that big a difference, but in practice it is (I'm sure part of it is down to shutter release design and other ergonomic factors as well). A Mk2 will give you that extra precision to capture the exact moment ... I think you can only appreciate the difference by trying it (or the 1D for that matter).

In more general terms, no doubt the 20D is a further improvement on the Canon system, and I'm really glad I got my Mk2 when I did as I would now find that purchase really hard to justify. But I have to say, like Chris, I'm glad I've made the big step and can sit back and ignore the upgrade wars for the next few years.  Smile

Incidentally, the guys at LCE Southampton tell me they've been surprised by the number of queries they've had regarding trade-ins of a 10D for a 20D - no doubt this was a factor in the trade in price Martin got quoted. I got a much better quote back in April when 10Ds were still in demand!

Cheers,

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:27 pm

Hi Rez,

"What are the limiting factors on the 10D / D100 that are preventing you getting these shots?"

Three frames per second! That is limiting...

-Jeff

 
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:55 pm

But unless you get the moment right, nothing will ensure the shot. I figured 8.5 frames a second would be more than enough to catch the Red Arrows famous head-on crossover. So I let the aircraft get pretty close and just held the shutter down - brrrrrrrr - 20 frames - there must be a good one. Nope. In one frame you see just the noses of two aircraft, next frame, two tails.  Smile

There's just no substitute for pressing the shutter at the right time!

Cheers,

Colin

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:29 am

Colin, I did this in one shot, but then again, read the remark!!!!!

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:44 am

Lol! "followed the wrong Hawk" - isn't it always the way  Smile

Done the same thing myself - the point is, you can have one of the fastest cameras in the world, but perfect timing is still a requirement - you nailed it with that shot!

Cheers,

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:50 am

lol how many of you are shooting at 1600 ISO Big grin
 
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:54 am

I thought that with the lacking VR you guys have, it would be you?

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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:43 pm

lol how many of you are shooting at 1600 ISO

I do.. On accident... lol..
 
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RE: So...who's Getting The 20D?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:28 pm

Update : the website accepted firm orders from yesterday, so 1505 Euro will be gone from my bank account (Snif ! Snif !) and a brand new 20D will be shipped over to DUB.
Now for some lengthy waiting, rhaa.

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