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Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:14 pm

I am going from film to digital, and wanted some input on the Cannon Digital Rebel. Any comments?
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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:20 pm

The Canon 300D is a good camera...I currently use one

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It's frame isn't tough so you have to look after it very well...if you want a camera you can toss around get the Canon 10D. If you have the money have a look at the Canon 20D with 8 or so MP's

I'm not the brightest spark with cameras...just my $0.2..good luck in your decision!


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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:22 pm

Interesting question.... Is the 6.3mp Digital Rebel enough?

I'll resist the temptation to pour forth with deadly sarcasm and ask that you perhaps elaborate on the question please...  Wink/being sarcastic

Is it the resolution that is concerning you?

Is it the plastic body?

Is it the colour?

Is it the capture rate?

Do you already posess Canon lenses (and thus have selected the Rebel)?

If you can expand on your question then there's a better chance you'll get a sensible answer.... I've come off the mind reading medication you see (sorry... couldn't resist!  Wink/being sarcastic )

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:40 pm

Rez:
I have EOS lenses, as I have the film version of the rebel. My biggest concern is the resolution, I like blowing up the pictures to about 16" X 20". THe plastic body doesn't concern me as I am not going to Iraq to be a combat correspondent (Couldn't resist that one...). I take care of my equipment, although I have been thrown for a loop...Capture Rate? I'll ask for your help on that one.

And if you need some more mind reading pills, I'll send you some. Thanks for your help...

Victor
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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:43 pm

Resolution won't be a problem. If you want higher get a MkII or a 20D.

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:35 pm

The 300D is a great camera although it is rather slow. And by slow I mean the rate of captures per second and slow startup time.
The resolution is good for my needs and allows some cropping without too much reduction in quality. Although I think printing at 16"x20" is pushing the limit.

Nevertheless the 300D/Rebel takes great pictures and is good value for your money.

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:51 pm

16x20 prints produced how? and compared to what? A 16x20 from a 6mp Canon sensor printed by a good outfit such as Photobox will surpass a 16x20 from a 35mm neg at your local mini-lab.

But then a professional hand printed quality slide would be better quality than the DSLR output.

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:00 am

Good point Colin.

I have an Epson Photo 1270 printer and I find that when I print larger than approx. 30cm x 20 cm quality declines very rapidly.

Getting decent prints is by far the weakest link in my digital darkroom chain and Color Management is starting to manage my life  Laugh out loud




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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:18 am

I've pretty much given up on printing my own stuff for the reasons you state - everything goes to Photobox now ... I figure it works out cheaper as well after taking into account wasted paper and ink!

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:38 am

The 300D / Rebel is very good! Browse through my images ( linked below ), all 131 shots taken with the 300D!

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=Florian%20Trojer%20-%20TCAS&distinct_entry=true

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:44 am

Florian:

Thanks for the info. Great pictures!. What size lens are you using?

Regards,

Victor
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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:22 am

Victor:

I am currently using the kit lens, the Canon 18-55 EF-S and 1 Tamron 70-300mm telephoto lens, but it will be replaced by a Canon 100-400L IS USM soon!

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:11 am

Florian:

I have a 70-210 Cannon lens now. How much is the 100-400 going to set you back?

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Victor
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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:05 am

The Digital Rebel has changed this hobby for me - and I suspect many others. The image quality is simply outstanding, the camera is easy to learn, and the commonality with Canon lenses and accessories is a huge plus.

Not trying to start a plugfest here, but check out some samples from this camera -

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I'm using the Canon Digital Rebel, Battery Grip BG-E1, Kit lens (18-55), 75-300 IS USM. Someone mentioned the "slow speed" of the Digital Rebel - if you buy high-speed CF cards it will help, but this camera has been fast enough for me! I've never missed a shot with it!

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:37 am

There's 11,614 images taken with the 300D, and I'm sure mroe from people who don't include which camera they use in the remark. Does that answer your question?  Big thumbs up

But I'd never miss the opportunity to plug my photos, also taken with the 300D..


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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:01 am

INNflight, I just bought a Tamron 70-300 lens and it's due to be delivered tomorrow. Looking at your pics, I'm now even more sure that I made a good deal!
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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:07 am

6mp pushing the limits on 16x20? HA! I have a 30x20 of my shot of N198UA.

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:14 am

I'd go with Drew's comments on the 300D. It's given many of us the opportunity to 'get up there' photography-wise. That being said, it's still alot of money, and I still resent the suggestion that 300D shooters are 'casual' users. I'd offer one bit of advice for anybody buying one though - learn as much of the technical side as you can, especially using photoshop.

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:21 am

The Canon 300D really is a neat camera. I think the photos taken with it on this site speak for themselves. The 6.3MP is more than you will ever need and, more importantly, the smoothness/cleanliness and color is amazing. Large prints are no problem as with 75 dpi you can get 40-inch wide prints.

I shoot with the Sigma 70-300 APO, a pretty good budget lens. With good weather, the quality is sharp even at the 300mm end (this requires stopping down, though). Seeing as you are considering the EF 100-400L (just under $1000 new/used on ebay) you have nothing to worry. It produces astounding results. The only one downside with the 300D is that you can only shoot 4 frames at a time at 2.5 fps but the buffer empties out quickly so even when shooting moving aircraft, there is only a second of delay before you can get the next shot.

Overall, it is an easy camera to learn on and shares quite a bit in common with the 10D. Build quality is acceptable; not up to 10D/20D/1D standards but it will not feel bad with a heavy lens hanging from it, which is the most important thing. If you can really afford the 20D/L-lens combo, go for it; if that is too much, you will not regret at all getting the 300D.

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:38 am

Really I don't see what the big deal is with the buffer on the 300D. Seriously. I only shoot about 3-4 shots of any given aircraft as it passes me (from near front-on to near rear-on angles), and I never have filled the buffer. ever.
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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:16 pm

These are both taken with the 300D... One after another in RAW format so it's fast enough for me!





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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:26 pm

John-

Not to be critical or anything, both of those SXM shots are amazing - and very high quality - but why wasn't one of them rejected for baddouble? I've shot multiple photos of the same aircraft on the same day and the screeners shoot me down. Just curious how you got two shots taken a second apart both in the database. Like I said - they are amazing photos!

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:35 pm

Thank you all for your comments. I will be ordering my camera today. Andrewuber, syncmaster, Jat72I & SA006...Beautiful shots.
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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:42 pm

Drew, no idea - ask the screeners. 2.5 frames a second means less than half a second apart too!
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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:04 pm

I have just been informed by a screener that the photo on the right has been deleted. This is despite the fact that it had almost 5000 hits and the one that's been kept has approx 2600.

Doesn't take a lot of brains to work out which one NOT to delete eh?

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:51 pm

Another 300D user here. I going to be upgrading to a 20D in January/February. The 300D is outstanding though, dont get me wrong. I just need a second camera body, and the 20D is it. My 300D will still be used a lot, especially at airshows with a smaller lens attached, while the 20D will have my big lens on it.

Check my profile, you can click the pic of me shooting to see my photos. If you look in the comments you can see all the photos taken with the 300D.

Ill be at Miramar this weekend with a 300mm F/2.8 + 2.0 extender attached.  Big grin
 
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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:56 pm

IT's done...The camera is ordered and on its way. But I will tell you, getting something on line is not as easy as it seems. Everyone is doing the bait and switch. I found the body for $569, but when I told the customer service repa all I wanted was the body, all of a sudden, he was "Out of Stock." This happened to me at three places. I broke down and got some extras and an extra memory card...$939 less a Cannon 100.00 rebate that leaves it at 839. The painful part is done.

Now comes the fun part... I see people talking about using PhotoShop, I could use some help in understanding that...

Thanks all, for all your input.
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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:59 pm

I'd say the two most important areas with regard to Photoshop are levels and Sharpening. Smarter people than me have written good guides to how to work with both, but having a good play is a great way to learn. Your film experience is bound to come in handy in understanding what things do.

You'll get Photoshop Elements 2.0 or 3.0 bundled with the 300D. It does most of the stuff 7.0 or CS does; certainly it's adequate for getting images on here. The 'Curves' tool is missing, and is instead replaced with a 'shadows/midtones/highlights' applet. Seems strange at first if you're used to curves but you get used to it after a little play.

Once you start fooling about with it all don't hesitate to ask here. Loads of people will be willing to help.

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RE: Is The 6.3 MP Cannon Digital Rebel Enough

Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:25 am

Jat741,
I'm just curious as to why someone would go out of their way to get this deleted? First off, why delete the one with MORE views? You said it had 5000...seems a bit unfair, but ok. Did you mean 500?

Just curious. I'm not accusing you of telling about it, but being you know what happened, I'd assume you know why one was deleted.

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