SmithAir747
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Need Help On Getting Photos Accepted

Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:32 am

FOr the second time, I have tried..and failed..to get photos accepted on A.net. It's so discouraging, I am just about to give up trying.

Reasons? I do not own photo-editing software, and I have never been able to get the hang of Photoshop or anything similar (computers are very frustrating to me) (and I don't have the time or patience to struggle with it).
The screeners seem to think everyone here is computer-savvy and knows how to use photo-editing software.

Another reason--the weather at LHR has never been very good for shooting (each time, it's been cloudy and/or rainy), thus light conditions have not been very good (the screeners told me to find a day with good weather). The weather in England is so unpredictable that I cannot plan on a nice sunny day for photos. How can I make sure the light and contrast are good?

Also, is my FinePix A330 digital camera (3.2MP, 3x optical zoom) not a good one for shooting with? Or, should I go ahead and trade it in for a more powerful one (like the Dimage Z3 or Panasonic Lumix some on A.net have recommended)?

Please help me in some way, so I don't get discouraged. I am so eager to share my photos with everyone else.

Or should I try some other airline-photo website?

Thanks!
SmithAir747
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US333
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RE: Need Help On Getting Photos Accepted

Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:46 am

The first problem is that you don't own photo-editing software. Hell will freeze over before the jpeg's taken right out of your camera with no post processing are accepted. It's that simple. You need to do some kind of post processing on a computer. You have to crop, correct the angle, adjust the levels, resize, adjust sharpness, and you need a computer program to do this. You recognized the problem yourself and that is what first needs to be corrected. You just have to be patient, read the manual, ask for help, and you eventually will get it. Don't give up, but that is where you must start.

Also, could you maybe link some of the rejections to get a feel for what they look like as far your camera/weather issues go?
 
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RE: Need Help On Getting Photos Accepted

Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:09 am

The screeners seem to think everyone here is computer-savvy and knows how to use photo-editing software.

right, blame it on the screeners. we should all go ahead now and start dumping our entire CF cards straight onto A.net. That'll keep the quality up!

EDIT:

Sorry for this rant, the previous poster gave a lot of good tips. It would really work if we could see some of your rejections. That way we can see how good/bad they are.



[Edited 2004-10-31 01:17:21]
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SmithAir747
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RE: Need Help On Getting Photos Accepted

Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:34 am

My rejected photos:

(http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=BA777.jpg)
(http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=003_3.jpg)
(http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=008_8.jpg)
(http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=004_4.jpg)
(http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=006_6.jpg)
(http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=026_26.jpg)
(http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=010_10.jpg)
(http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=009_9.jpg)

(I hope you can open these).

I shot all these with a Fuji FinePix A330 digital (entry-level, with 3x optical zoom and 3.2MP); I am totally new to digital photography (since I had to quickly replace my wonderful Olympus IS-20 which broke down just before I traveled to England for school). Should I go ahead and trade it in for a higher-MP, larger-zoom camera (within a student budget)? Please let me know if this camera is worth spotting with. (I have it set on auto).

The weather in London, as you may know, is unpredictable (mostly cloudy), so I cannot "plan" on a sunny day to go spotting at LHR or MAN (I cannot control the weather, like the screeners think I can), because there are FEW sunny days. I like to go out to the airport on Saturdays and Sundays, the only free time from my studies. So, I don't know how I can find a sunny day to plan a trip out to LHR or MAN--I usually plan for those trips (because both airports are quite a distance by train or Tube from central London).

Are there photo-editing companies/places in London where I can have someone knowledgeable do the editing for me? (My photos are on a photo disc made at Boots on a digital photo kiosk). I think it would be more feasible, and less aggravating to me, if I left it to someone patient and professional enough to do it.
I am so clumsy and "all thumbs" with these programs--I've tried them before (for required classes in digital imaging)!
I am a busy biomedical student, so I do not have the time to figure out the software.

Thanks!
SmithAir747
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RE: Need Help On Getting Photos Accepted

Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:40 am

Here are those links again (hopefully they'll open this time):

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=BA777.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=003_3.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=008_8.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=004_4.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=006_6.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=026_26.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=010_10.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=009_9.jpg

It's been a while since I had the training in these procedures; I forget things I do not normally use everyday.

I did not mean to be sarcastic in "blaming" the screeners--they just need to know that not everyone here is well-versed in computer imaging (or has access to it), and it is hard to predict the weather for a day you plan to spot (and don't want to waste it).

Thanks!
SmithAir747

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RE: Need Help On Getting Photos Accepted

Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:47 am

These two links I will ask you to ignore:

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=BA777.jpg
because when I opened it, it had another photographer's name on it and I did not recognize it as mine (due to very similar filenames).

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=003_3.jpg
because link is a dead end (which I did not intend).

Thanks!
SmithAir747
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PNEPilot
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RE: Need Help On Getting Photos Accepted

Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:50 am

Well to start with, most of them are half of an airplane... make up your mind whether you are taking a nose shot, a tail shot or an airplane shot.

The BA 777 is overexposed and blurry, the VS747 is out of focus.

Weather and equipment are certainly not helping you, but whatever the reasons/excuses, at the end of the day it has to be said that none of these shots are anywhere near to a.net standards.
 
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RE: Need Help On Getting Photos Accepted

Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:00 am

I can see that you have an eye for photography.  Smile I also see that in order to get pictures on A.net you need to overcome the mindset that you can't do things like image editing. It is all in your mind and if you want to succeed stop saying to yourself such nonsense as...
I quote:

I have never been able to get the hang of Photoshop or anything similar (computers are very frustrating to me) (and I don't have the time or patience to struggle with it

I am so clumsy and "all thumbs" with these programs

...etc, etc.

If you are truly serious about this art/hobby than you can pick up hundreds of books and/or magazines on the subject of digital photography and image editing. This is just like any other task you take on. Study and practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, and than maybe you will master.

And if you have nothing to do during the weekend in London (is that possible?) then I suggest you go out for a walk with your camera and take photographs of everything and anything. With digital camera it is free and will make you a much better photographer. Better equipment will help of course.

I am still practicing and I am enjoying every minute of it.

Cheers,
Siggi
 
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RE: Need Help On Getting Photos Accepted

Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:03 am

PNEPilot:

What kind of equipment would you recommend--besides my Fuji FinePix A330?
Should I go ahead and trade it for something with more MP and a bigger zoom
(bigger than 3.2MP and 3x optical zoom), like I'm considering doing at Jessops (a camera shop in London)? What would you recommend? A Lumix or a Dimage Z- type camera, or do you have any ideas of your own? I used to have a very good film camera (Olympus IS-20, which took beautiful shots), but it died just before I had to travel to the UK to start school this September.
So, I had to scramble and get a camera within a short time and short budget.

Plus, how can I make sure the weather will be good for my shooting day? (I usually make up my mind ahead of time to go to LHR on some weekends, and besides, I can't imagine doing much else in London on slow weekends--I've seen all the tourist stuff and I don't go shopping or clubbing).

Please give me more ideas on these two prickly subjects for me.
Thanks!
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RE: Need Help On Getting Photos Accepted

Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:15 am

Well if I had a solution to West London weather I'd have better things to do on a Saturday night than hang out in here  Big grin

More megapixels and more optical zoom will do no harm - then practice, practice, practice... and you will have to put in some effort and learn at least the basics of some kind of editing software to have anything like a reasonable chance of success.

There's another thread not too far down singing the praises of the Dimage Z... it was on my shortlist before I finally bought the Nikon Coolpix 5700, which I have since upgraded to the 8700... both of which are capable of some really nice shots (Search the database for nikon 8700/5700 for examples), and currently available at fairly cheap closeout prices with the recent launch of the Coolpix 8800.
 
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RE: Need Help On Getting Photos Accepted

Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:26 am

Have you ever heard of a weather report? Watch it, the day it is sunny or partly sunny go shoot. If you should be in school, who cares, skip a day. Pick a spot beforehand for the time of day you think you will be there so the sun will be behind you. At this point the sun anywhere in front of you will kill your shots. Most definately, review what has been accepted on a.net and try them out. Tail shots are OK but start with the entire plane if you can. Like US333 said, you really won't get a digi-shot on a.net without some post processing. If you get a program (Photoshop Elements 2.0 $50 US) and need help, trust me this is the place to ask.
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RE: Need Help On Getting Photos Accepted

Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:15 pm

SmithAir747:

As encouragement, I would say you've got the right ideas with these shots. However, you must get image editing software. Period. Most people here use one of the Photoshop family - its become pretty much the standard software tool to use, which I guess is about as high a recommendation as you can get. The good news is it does not have to be Photoshop or expensive. Try this:

http://www.xnview.com/

For a freeware picture viewer, cropper, resizer, sharpener, colour adjuster, gamma adjuster etc. Photoshop (Elements or otherwise) it isn't, of course, but it will get you going and teach you the basics and its free. One thing it doesn't do well is rotate - I use the free software that came with one of my cameras or scanner, can't remember which, for rotation jobs.

The other tool I would suggest is something like neatimage:

http://www.neatimage.com/

which removes noise from images - very useful for point-and-shoots which can be more noisy than proper DSLR's and for the British weather, which tends to emphasize any noise in the shots. There is a free demo you can download on the site and you don't need to learn how to use it in detail, just follow the simple instructions and the "Auto" functions. You'll pick more skills up the more you use it. It's such a useful program, you'll probably want to purchase a full license - prices start at £20.

I think a better camera would be a good idea if you can afford one and there is nothing wrong with some of the recent point-and-shoots - just don't expect
to produce Colin K. Work standard images  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Look for at least 6 or 7 times optical zoom.

But above all, probably the biggest tip I can give is quite shocking and its one for all newbies (which includes me). Don't take photos of airliners for uploading to airlinersnet. It's what this site is mainly about and as a result, each airliner already has tens, if not hundreds, of shots of it. As the number of shots of an individual aircraft goes up, so does the quality required to get a new shot accepted. In my a.net collection, I've only got a few airliners, most of my shots of them were (and are) rejected. But similar quality (or even lower quality!) shots of military and light aircraft made it in, no problems. Its all about how common shots of an individual aircraft are and you'll find it tough to compete in the airliner field without better processing or camera these days. Not impossible, but tough and nothing will kill your enthusiasm more than a constant string of rejections. At this stage in your hobby you need to be building up your basic skills, especially post-processing and possibly thinking of a better camera (but not necessarily). I recommend you do this at your local general aviation field, there should be several within reach of London. Take your A330 (just bought one for my mother funnily enough). Get as close as you can, take static shots of light aircraft and biz-jets that you see. Maybe take a walk around the perimeter to near the runway threshold for more interesting landing shots. Light aircraft don't very often produce photos that score big hits, but that does not mean the shots are bad. Practice your editing and you'll improve. No airshows left this year unfortunately, but they are good places too as you can get close to aircraft in the static display and they are popular with the viewers. Then when you are ready, go back to Heathrow for the airliners with your improved skills, tools, weather and possibly camera. You'll still get rejections, but I'll bet you get some acceptances too.

The very first photo I uploaded to a.net was accepted, about 5 months ago now. It's nothing special, but it illustrates the basic guidelines I've given for newbies very well - it was also the first shot of this aircraft on airlinersnet. Taken with a 3MP Fuji S602:


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Photo © Jim Groom



and here is one taken with a 2MP Olympus:


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Photo © Jim Groom



so it can be done.

Don't give up, best of luck and enjoy yourself (even if the shots don't get accepted)! In 6 months from now you'll look back and see how much you've improved.

Best regards,

Jim
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