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Where Are The Ones Who Hv You Used SLR 10+ Years?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:38 pm

The header says it all..........

These are the ones who make an AV forum interesting, but where are these experiences photographers these days?

Would love to hear some stories?????

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:21 pm

I fall into that group, got my first SLR (a Yashica, can't remember the exact name, it had AF) in 1988. But you know me, I'm a boring person, so what story could I tell you? Well, at least I still shot 707s, DC-8s, Caravelles in pax service at my home airport with it... And because I was a student, I was cheap on film, and initially bought Agfa slide films, before upgrading to Fuji and Kodak (but never K64).

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:31 pm

Then I'm probably part of this group too, using SLR cameras since the late 70s.

...but which of my stories am I going to tell...?

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:39 pm

I've used my 1982 Canon AE1-program since the late 80's. Moved up through the Canon range to my current D60 with an all "L" lens setup.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:02 pm

Praktica MTL-3, Canon AE-1, Canon T-90, Canon EOS-650 (stolen), Canon EOS-5, Canon EOS-3, Canon D60... Kodachrome 64 from the early '80s, now mainly digi. The MTL-3 is still in service with a friend, and I still have the AE-1, EOS-3 and D60.

Trouble todays is that many newcomers don't really learn about photography. Cameras have advanced so much that almost everyone will have some success straight out of the box in the majority of circumstances. Whilst this may be seen as a good thing for photography in general in this instant gratification world, some aspects of modern photography are now being built on far less stable foundations than they were 20 or more years ago. And digital makes that worse, because many mistakes can be corrected in Photoshop, whereas film is much more unforgiving and forces the photographer to learn.

How many new photographers really, I mean REALLY, understand things like the relationship between shutter speed, aperture, "film" speed, exposure compensation, depth of field, etc.? The number of stopped props on flying turboprops we see demonstrates that some don't have a clue. And what about things like reciprocity failure - doesn't apply in the digital world, so its irrellevent, right up until someone who's never shot film tries to use it at night.

I believe that starting out with a camera like the MTL-3 made me more aware of what I was doing with a camera, even if it took somewhat longer to get things really right and even though in the early days I had many more failures than I might have done had I been starting today with a new camera. And whilst I now use a new-ish camera, I believe many of the lessons learned are still valid and useful.

Ah well, I'll get off the soap box now.

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:37 pm

Andy wrote:
"How many new photographers really, I mean REALLY, understand things like the relationship between shutter speed, aperture, "film" speed, exposure compensation, depth of field, etc.? The number of stopped props on flying turboprops we see demonstrates that some don't have a clue. And what about things like reciprocity failure - doesn't apply in the digital world, so its irrellevent, right up until someone who's never shot film tries to use it at night.

This is so true........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep them coming, would love to hear more!

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:46 pm

Canon AE-1 from the early 90´s till 1996. No AF and what so ever... learning by doing if you know what I mean  Smile

Canon EOS500 from 1996 until 2002.

Canon 10D since Jan.03.

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:56 pm

Vasco, since you brought it up, don't you have some stories to tell?

I've been using SLRs since 1996, when I started photographing airplanes. This is also when I got more serious about photography, and I figured that the only way to make the airplane fit the frame fully, I needed a zoomlens which -I thought- only SLRs could have. I wanted sharp shots showing all the detail of the plane. I never looked at compact camera's, I knew that was not going to give me what I wanted, I went straight for a second hand Canon AE-1. I bought a zoom-lens (a Soligor, I didn't know anything yet about brands and 3-rd party lenses etc.) and a 28mm and 135mm. I read books about photography and experimented taking all sorts of pictures (not just airplanes) with a friend who also liked photography. I still have all of that gear and occasionally use it for B&W photography (playing with filters, etc).

The Soligor started acting up after a year or 2 and I invested (my hard earned saturday-job money) in a Canon EOS50. The autofocus and motor drive were the greatest perks coming with that one.

Then internet became available all over the place in 1998 (when I started uploading to A.net) and the scanning of my pictures became more and more difficult as the standards went up, but my scanner didn't. I bought a slide scanner in 1999 but the quality was so-so, so at some point I was looking at 95% rejection rate at Airliners.net. Also, the storage of slides and pictures was getting a bit too annoying, so I finally bought a EOS 10D in 2003. Digital is great! I love it. Little storage space needed, great quality and cheap.
And that's where I'm at today.

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:03 pm

When I bought my MTL-3 back in the late '70s, it cost £45. I thought that was a lot and nearly bought a £35 Zenith instead! When I think back to those days, the EOS-3 and D60 and several L-series lenses in my bag now, and my fairly relaxed attitude to acquiring a 20D in the not too distant future, I wonder what my fuss about buying the MTL-3 was all about. Much water has passed under the bridge in the intervening period and I admit that I am not better off relatively speaking than I was then, but I have at least come to realise that cheap usually isn't best in the long run, and that its better to wait and buy quality rather than jump in and buy the first thing I can afford (or maybe more accurately easily mentally justify!).

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:27 pm

My first was SLR was a Pentax K-1000 in 1979. I liked it because it was totally manual. It finally wore out in 1993. The replacement only lasted seven years when it also stripped a gear. I replaced it with a ZXM that I bought the day before my month long trip to Gabon, Africa. I didn't have a chance to shoot a test roll of film to see that the camera was working properly. Fortunately, it did. The ZXM broke a cam two years later on a trip to Puerto Rico. I couldn't find another body but I did find an Olympus C700 on sale at an Office Max. I liked it and upgraded to the C750 in July 2003. I haven't shot a frame of slide film since. I do intend to get a DSLR but for now the Olympus is serving me well and is compact to fint into my flight bag.

Another SLR I used was the Nikon F-3. I worked for an aerial photography company from 1990 to 1992 that specialized in taking pictures of farms. The job involved flying around rural areas taking pictures of farms. I would send the film and my map into the company that would print proofs for a salesman to a pitch to the property owner. I liked the job since I was flying, photographing, seeing the country, and getting paid. It wasn't a princely sum but I could enjoy food with my meals.
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Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:32 pm

Though Andy has a point, the fact is that, if you really want to learn about photography, digital SLR's do give you the chance to shoot and shoot and shoot and try different settings without the need to think about your film and development expenses. For this reason I think I've learned more in 2 years shooting digital than in 10 years shooting slides.

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:35 pm

Javibi,

Allthough you are correct when you say that the direct review helps you understand what certain settings do, the incentive of doing it bang-on right the first time are a lot lower compared to when you are shooting analog.

I started with an SLR camera in 2001 and I upgraded to a DSLR in 2003. I am currently heavily using my "old" SLR again, because I am doing B&W class at my university. Printing and developing your own film is a lot of fun. Especially when you need to push and pull the prints, great stuff.

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:45 pm

One aspect of SLR photography is the suspense you experience waiting for the slides to come back from the lab. Only then do you know for certain that
what you saw is what you got. The suspense was heightened by the worrisome possibility of camera failure, which I experienced twice in my early days of shooting with less expensive SLRs.

My first SLR, a Yashica purchased in late 1966, was literally worn out
in less than two years when the mechanism locked up during a holiday trip.
I replaced it with a Mamiya-Sekor and a year later lost several rolls from a road trip when the shutter became sticky resulting in a substantial portion of each frame not being exposed.

It was replaced with a Pentax which served me well until I went Nikon in the
mid-seventies. My final SLR shooting configuration was a pair of F3s which
were bullet proof and just kept on ticking.

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:47 pm

..

Started in photography in the early 90s with a Canon eos 1000FN. Then I got married and my wife (how odd things are..) gave me as a present a Hasselblad 501, medium format camera.
Then I've bought an Eos 3 and 10D.
I've nearly forgotten what was a no-digital photo since the 10D but I realized when coming back to slides (no for airplanes where I use mainly digital) how a toy is the 10D compared to the Eos 3.
My next investments will go definitely to medium format...

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RE: Where Are The Ones Who Hv You Used SLR 10+ Years?

Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:03 pm

Well I still haven't seen cross-processed pictures from a digital camera. Also, there are still situations where digital cameras just can't be used and that's when taking pictures on an infrared or enhanced red sensitivity film.

Anyway, my story starts from the time I was about 10 years old and I had my Agfamatic 50. 1996 I got some crappy compact camera, but hey, I even have pics taken with that camera uploaded to this site.  Smile

1998 I went for an Olympus SLR and since then I've been changing my equipment frequently just to try out different brands, lenses... To get the experience and knowledge over cameras.

Many people uploading their pics to this site are happy just to get their pics accepted. For that, digital is ok. For those who need a camera only to spot planes, digital is ok. But for myself, a person who is not only taking pics of planes and wants to have the experience over different ways of photography, should not go for digital. I must say I still haven't tried developing my own films/pictures. Well, maybe that's the next step to come.  Smile

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:25 pm

Not sure how much of a story this is, but I first used a borrowed SLR in 1978 (and don't even remember what kind it was!), then got an used F-1 in 1979 and an A-1 in 1984. They're still what I use today. I think I've always approached aviation photography more from the aviation rather than the photography side. That is, the interest in planes has always been the reason for doing it. I've certainly accumulated some knowledge of photography along the way but, probably to my own loss, I've never been an "active student of photography".

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:37 pm

What Andy says ... actually I think we have a pretty similar time frame and equipment path.

On the "learning side", I do believe there's much to be said for learning the hard way. I don't dismiss the benefits of the costless and instant review DSLR, but this does promote a trial and error approach to photography. Yes, you may get the shot you want, but do you know how you got it ... and can you replicate it?

One of my personal points of pride is being able to take on any subject - drop me into a new situation, difficult lighting etc., and I will get a useful image - I think this can only come from understanding how photography "works". Of course this doesn't mean you'll get great pics - you also need an eye for that - but its good to know how to get the shot once you've visualised what you want.

Hmmm - perhaps we need a "grumpy old men" forum  Smile

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:38 pm

As a kid, my parents bought me a cheap camera since I had expressed many times an interest in photography. Soon I found out that I was unable to control it to my needs and when I played around with my cousin's Pentax, I fell in love with SLRs. I wanted to buy one but I had no money. I saved my pennies and bought a Zenith in 1982 or 1983 since it was the cheapest SLR available.
I loved it and learnt a great deal about photography until it broke. I went for Chinon CG-5 in 1988 and to be honest, it still is the best camera I have ever owned. Still works fine and makes great photos. That was the year I started doing B&W, had a dark room and experimented with slides.

Now I own a 300D, I'm quite happy with it. Probably knowing the basics of photography has helped my smooth transition to DSLR. Never took photography way too seriously but wanted to keep up and make good pictures. Time moves on, I'm shooting mostly digital but still enjoy film a lot.

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Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:45 pm

New to the Forums so I'll use this as a bit of an introduction too.
Sound like a load of kids to me (which means that I am going to sound like Grandad to you.)
I was born in 1953 which by my reckoning makes me 32. I have never been very good at maths when it suits me
I started as a spotter in 1967 but had been a photographer for a few years by then, being taught by my Father from the age of about 10. I understand processing colour and black and white, shutter speeds, apertures, film speeds, focal lengths, depth of field, composition, decomposition etc. This bloody digital nonsense might catch on but I do however struggle with that at the moment. The cameras feel similar, but where does the damned film go ?There is an old English saying that it is difficult to teach an old dog new tricks. This must be true as my dog fails to respond at all to my digital photographs, rather like the screeners. I must be driving them mad at the moment whilst trying to learn (sorry, but I will get there).
I have never been an equipment junkie though today that seems more important. I started with roll film cameras photographing Viscounts and Dakotas at East Midlands Airport UK. What negatives I have found I have been unable to scan so far as they are too big for my slide scanner and too small for my flatbed. Once I have found a way though, boy will you see some aircraft !
I moved to a Zenit B which was like carrying a house brick around your neck. After two weeks and having to walk a short distance with it I developed a stoop which makes me look a little (only a little) older than my 32 years. It had to go and it only lasted a couple of weeks before I moved onto another Eastern block camera, a Praktica Nova and a 3x converter on a standard lens (yuk). I then moved to a Pentax Spotmatic F, the best camera I ever had apart from the screw lenses. In 1977, just before a trip to the States I bought the first Canon AE1 to arrive in Nottingham and I still use that. I went over to Digital with a Canon 300d in August but have changed that for a 10d.
I am currently a Cop but have been ill since February when I discovered a.net. I will be retiring from the Police in the near future. People have wondered how I got a lot of the shots I managed - being a Cop rarely failed to get me onto the ramps.
Once retired, who knows ?
I have a couple of thousand black and white shots still to upload as well as a lot of slides. Large numbers have deteriorated quite badly as they were dumped into a garden shed by my darling ex-wife. When I look at my early submisisons I am surprised that any got on. I am learning though and re-uploading a lot. One embarrasing, very recent discovery was the use of levels rather than the brightness and contrast controls.
There have been complaints about my black and white images. The reason is that colour was expensive then. I too wish I had taken colour, but then I would not have been able to travel. Sometimes the aircraft is more important than the quality of the photograph - and just look at some of mine !
I have a story to tell, but it will be seen in the future in a magazine who have accepted it. They are paying me so that I can afford more film.
Naaaahhh, think not !
I have been raised as a photographer and even earlier this year I would have said that there was a place for film and digital. I now believe that film is, if not yet dead, dying.
The other love of my life, besides the dog, wife, kids etc is poison dart frogs, Dendrobatids, (no particular order unless my wife is watching) and I have yet to photograph them on digital. If you are interested (or bored) enough to look, you will find quite a few photos of them around and about on the Internet.
As soon as is reasonable after the publication of the story in the Magazine I will post the story of aircraft-spotting hippy to aircraft-spotting cop for all to see on airliners.net
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:43 am

Guess I also fit in here... I started photography with my Dad's Olympus OM-1 (all manual, no AF, no aperture-preselect, no time-preselect, no nothing...) in the late 1980ies. Still love this camera for being sooo incredibely light and small but still producing excellent photos. The lenses at this time were an Olympus 50mm f/1.4, an Olympus 28mm f/2.8 and an Olympus 135mm f/2.8. Another good thing was that with having to set the camera manually all the time I really learned something about depth of field, the effect of different aperture settings etc. With all-automatic cameras (even with SLRs) you have to want to learn this stuff because if you don't put effort in it the camera just takes care of you. You will mostly still get decent results but never use the full capabilities of a SLR.

Well, in 1996 I felt the need for zoom-lenses (plus I wanted my "own" camera...  Wink/being sarcastic ), so I bought a Canon EOS 500 with the Canon EF 35-80 f/3.5-4.5 and the 75-300 II f/4-5.6. In August 2003 I had to replace the 500D-body (shutter was broken) with a EOS 33, and in November 2003 I added the EOS 300D for the digital side. Over the years a few lenses came and fewer went, so right now my photobag if completely packed with all the good stuff weighs about 6 kilograms!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:02 am

Hmmm.... borrowed a mate's Nikon F-401s in '93 and ended up buying it off him eventually so this could qualify me too.... I feel so old!  Wink/being sarcastic

My original camera work was shot on the old 110 format followed by a 35mm compact. How many shots of Concorde and the Red Arrows have I got from Farnborough where the aircraft are but mere specks on the 6x4 print!!

The F-401s was my first 'proper' camera but sadly time and money meant that I never did get the hang of the damned thing.... secretly I still believe the auto-exposure was crapped out from a couple of inopportune drops but thats probably just me making excuses for dreadul shots.

For the past few years my interest in aviation photography has been rekindled since working for Rolls-Royce. Myself and Phil Cooke must have spent a small fortune on high quality print and slide films since 1999 trying to replicate the shots of our peers here on A-Net with little success.

In 2003 I got the opportunity to borrow my brother's Fuji S602 for a round the world trip and on the way I was blown away by the ease and immediacy of the results. No longer did I have to wait for the wretchedly slow slide developers to send me back a box of crapped out shots! I could take the shot, look at it, think about what was wrong with it and take another with corrections. Comparing the two with the histogram on revealed so much!!!

Well, after that there was simply no going back! I looked around for a cost effective way of breaking into digital straight after I got back... well whilst I was on holiday actually but don't tell the wife!  Wink/being sarcastic I tried my damndest to stick with Nikon but all that was available at the time was the D100 which was out of my reach. That and the good comments I'd heard about the Canon system led me eventually to the EOS D30. The Nikon kit now found a new set of homes via good old ebay and a mint condition D30 winged its way to me from Mifsuds on the south coast.

One year on and I'm ready to move on again. The D30 is up for grabs (here if anyone's interested!) and a brand spanking new 10D is scheduled to arrive tommorow morning.

It's been a blast!

Cheers!

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Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:54 am


I started taking shots at Heathrow when I was about 10 in the mid 70s. My Dad was a redcap for BEA/British Airways and some friends and I used to go to work with him and head up to the Queens Building and Car Park 1a.

I started off with a nasty 110 camera, but when I took photography at school I got my first SLR, a Canon AE1 Program around 1981. Later I moved to my first EOS a 1000f, then EOS 100, EOS IX7 (bad move), EOS 30, EOS 10D and now my pride and joy EOS 1D MkII.

I still have some of the photos of the early days from the old Vivitar 110. They are appalling quality and have stuff like Tridents, VC-10s, 707s and Tristars.

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Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:55 am

  • Grandfather started shoving a camera in my hand when I was five or six, an Argus C3 which I still have. That was the beginning of the end!

  • First 35mm camera, Petri Color 35 Rangefinder.

  • Used high school's Pentax Spotmatic, Canon Pellex, and Minolta SRT-101.

  • First 35mm SLR, Petri FT2.

  • First Nikon, Photomic FTn with 50mm f/2.0 [1972].

  • Sequentially replaced/accompanied by Nikon F2, F2Sb, FM, FM2, EL2, F3, and Nikkormat FT3.

  • First AF experience, borrowed Nikon N2020. Bought F4s shortly thereafter.

  • Nikon N90s convinced me that that it was much faster than F4.

  • Still shooting film, Nikon N50, F5, N80, and 35Ti [$1000 paperweight].

  • Abandoned K25/K64 in early 90s for Fuji Provia.

  • After a boatload of $1000 digcams, it was time for the D100. Abandoned film altogether

  • D70 replaced CP5700 due to too many missed shots.


  • I haven't missed a shot since. As far as the older cameras mentioned above, I still have most of them but they are unpowered in Mojave-like storage upstairs, and downstairs, and over here, and over there...
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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:12 am

    I've still got my Dad's Nikkormat FTn, also with the 50mm F2.0. I also bought a Tokina 24mm F2.8, and a Vivitar 150mm F3.8 for it.

    I actually found it easier to learn than my 300D, as it's so straightforward. The exposure meter is dead easy to use, and - as far as my prints go - seems pretty accurate. It's a really fun camera to take pictures with, and I miss the little bars in the viewfinder that help with levelling.


    Cheers


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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:39 am

    I started taking photos as a kid, I had a 110 camera and spent most of my pocket money buying film for it.
    A few years later my dad told me of a friend selling a Chinon 35mm camera, this is where I learnt most of the hard standing.
    I went to a few airshows, used to get free access to Farnborough as I worked for RAE back then but wasn't seriously into aviation photography.

    I then got persuaded by Rich Lynn to buy a better camera, so I treated myself to an EOS300, I then had a better tool to go experimenting with. My dad used to have an interest in photography so I read most of his books on the subject.

    I remember going out to Duxford with Rich and Chris Muir and us asking each other what settings we had dialled in, great times. This I believe stood me well for the aviation photography I so love, me Rich and Chris then started to go out to more and more shows, each one of us learning off of one another. There is nothing better than learning from people who are open and honest about techniques.

    More years past and I decided I would take the plunge into the DSLR market, spurred on by a work job which involved photographing a tornado at close quarters. I probably learnt more with this one camera than any other. More and more shows past and I purchased better lenses when I could afford to.

    Last year I had the opportunity to purchase a 1D Markii I'd spoken to Colin Work at Farnborough a few month before and he sorted my mind out!

    I've not looked back since really, I've done a few more shoots for my work and travelled around. Unfortunately this is hard at times as I suffer from a bowel disease which sadly stops me in my path to visit different airports.

    Ian.


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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:20 am

    Yeeh, you made me digging my memory.
    Started when i was something like 10 or 11 with a Olympus om10 borrowed from my brother to shoot my favorite sport which was(and is) Formula 1.
    In those days i more or less lived on the race track.
    The Olympus was a very good piece of machinery with a 50mm F1.2 lens attached but in those days expensive too.
    So when i was 16 or 17 and ready for my own slr it was not affordable for me and i bought a zenith.
    Man....... this was heavy stuff, made of Russian tank left overs if you ask me.
    Together with a "wide angle", "portrait" and "Tele" lens it was a real work out carrying it around.
    Tried to do some other area's as well but quickly found out that with the zenith i was limited to something producing more noise then my trusty camera which apart from Formula one did not exist.  Wink/being sarcastic
    I remember a friendly wild life photographer who invited me to join him in the early morning, how could he know.
    Anyway we came across a few dears and as silent as we could be a position was taken for some nice images, then i fired my Russian build T72 "KLAAACCKKK" ..... apart from some nice dear ass nothing on our images of course. I'll never forget his face...... oh i was never invited again.
    So since then i usually stick to stuff that makes noise even though many different cameras have passed my hands like 2 Prakticas, Eos620, 650, 50Eqd, D30 and now 10D.
    Some images from the "old" days.

    An early images of Jan Lammers when he was still young in his first year of Formula 1, i wanted to make sure that everything was set right and it took so long that mister Patience himself almost lost his patience


    The legendary Ferrari 312T4 with the 3 liter flat 12 which became world champion in 1978 in the hands of Jody Chekter.

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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:28 am

    Wow! Was that with Shadow? Any more 70's F1 stuff?

    Cheers

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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:37 am

    Yes....loads hehe
    From my eleventh till the age of 18 i never missed a GP.

    It was with the Shadow yes, DN6 in the flame livery if my memory is correct.


    A view in the Williams garage driven by Alan Jones who became world champion with this car in 79 and Carlos Reutemann.


    The famous Lotus 79 became world champion in 78 with Mario Andretti at the wheel. Looking at this image i must have been suspicious about the under side of the car as it was unbeatable at the time. This was the first true ground effect car.

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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:46 am

  • Hey, both the legendary AirNikon and I started out with Pentax Spotmatics. Fabulous camera, with the standard (inexpensive) Pentax optics really very good. Of course I'm not old enough to have had it when it was brand-new!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:00 am

    Mick Bajcar, glad to see you made it to the forums! I enjoy everyone of your uploads certainly take me back.

    Avopic great shots of proper F1 cars, I retired 2 years ago from F1 myself  Wink/being sarcastic

    I started with I think it was a 126 camera have some very dodgy slides back to 1978 then went on to a 110 camera (backwards step?) Got my first 35mm SLR (Minolta X300) in 1985 but shot cheap quality print film but upgraded the camera to every new model as it came out my last was a Dynax 7, but still with the cheap film. The internet wasnt really invented then so I gave no thought to slides or good film and the prints still look good even if the scans make it look otherwise Big grin In the digital age I have had a Fuji S1 and S2 (RIP) now using a D100 whilst waiting for my D2X to arrive.

    Colin and Andy agree with your thoughts 100% and oh to have a "Grumpy old men" forum Big grin

    Cheers

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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:26 am

    Grumpy ? no one ever told me that, old yes... on a daily basis but grumpy no.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
    What would be the required age for the "old men" forum ? hehe i will probably qualify anyway.


    Willem......who because of his old age is off to bed.  Sleepy
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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:53 am


    Great stories, all of you.

    Like most, I started shooting with my family's Canon AE-1 Program when I was around 10 or so in the early 80s, but hardly understood what apertures and shutters were! Did'nt start to photograph aviation seriously until the late 80's, with a Canon T-80.

    After that got lost I was cameraless until I was given a Nikon F-801s in '91 and Sigma glass, which served me well until I sold it for an F5 in '98. Very slowly and on my own I started learning more about exposure, film, lenses, etc. Then Anet came along so I bought a slide scanner, but then I realized that I had to learn other skills: Scanning and Photoshop! That took time, and I am still learning.

    Switched to Canon digital in '03, but i still enjoy shooting print on 35mm and 6X7. On a backward trend though, I want to invest in a small photo lab to develop my own stuff, just for fun.






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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:57 am

    In 1984 I borrowed my father's Canon AV-1 and A-1. In 1988 I bought my own Canon A-1. In 1989 I changed to autofocus with a Canon EOS 600.
    In 1991 I took the step up to Canon EOS 1. In 1997 I upgraded to Canon
    EOS 1n HS. My present Canon EOS 33 has been with me since 2002.
    A SLR and a fine grain slide film can give you stunning results if handled
    with care.

    Anders


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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:50 pm

    Ok, so I don't have 10 yrs of solid SLR experience but my father bought a Nikon N8008 back in the early 90's. I didn't play with it much back then (I was too young) but in the last year I've used it much and it has tought me much about photography. A couple months ago it accompanied me to San Diego on a helicopter shooting trip. While a helo was hovering about 7ft from me I ran out of film. I did get one good shot outta the few that I shot off but I concluded I needed another camera to have on hand so this kind of resource failure wouldn't happen again. So I did some hunting around and bought a Nikon N75 for $250. It's an inexpensive camera, but a damn good one. It has a very good AE system. The AF is very accurate and quick. In fact, I rarely use the N8008 anymore. At the moment I'm just trying to finish off a roll of film rotting away inside of it.

    I'll soon be making my move into the DSLR world with a D70. I'm not sure when or from whom I'll be buying it, but it will be a D70 for the price & features. I just know that having a DSLR to shoot hundreds of photos at a time will allow me to get even more "perfect" shots. So just over a year of me starting out in photography and uploading to this site I'm making a big move...wish me luck.  Laugh out loud
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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:37 pm

    Thanks for the comments Sukhoi...
    A.net has helped me through a very difficult year and it has been good to know that others have appreciated the old man's photos. When I started uploading the black and white I had a few VERY nasty messages about not wasting peoples time with black and white. I have been over sensitive and nearly packed in uploading. I would love to try a sepia toned black and white carefully chosen oldie but doubt it would get past screening - that would really piss the moaners off.
    As I pointed out to one of the dipsticks who complained, This is airliners.net and not prettycolouredairliners.net
    Anyway, the Grumpy old men bit might escape the non-British people on the forums - it was a hilarious television programme (Americans please note the correct speelling, 2 ms and an e)
    I'm all for grumpy old men on a.net....where do I join up.
    (I went to Waddington the other day and two different photographers asked if I had ever been told I looked like John Peel, one of the TV grumpy old men who died a couple of weeks ago)
    Seriously though.....
    I was a good but not spectacular aircraft photographer and I did get around more than most. There are a lot more photographers out there of my age who are dinosaurs and who have a lot more, and probably better, photographs. I have had a 25 year gap in my hobby but my travelling companion of all those years ago did not. He has thousands of negatives too. I have recently upgraded my computer and offered him my old one. He declined the free offer. However he rings me to find out whats happening off the internet and loves to browse a.net if he comes to my house. My Wife (grumpy old woman ?......not) found a course at a local evening class called computing for the terrified. Se went and now uses the computer whenever she needs to. It should be compulsory for anyone over 45 !
    Saw a comment about Digital being cheating. Definately not cheating, but oh so much easier than what we used to use. I have acquired a Bigma and that feels about the same as a 400mm I used to use (for a very short time). However, imagine a lens like that coupled to 100ASA film and dark English days, it is hardly surprising that our photos are not as sharp. Re-open the Queens Building at Heathrow and I'll be there taking photos with Bigma that I would have died for, and probably made a living with, 30 years ago ! Today, getting them onto the database would be difficult because so many others would be doing it, and probably better.
    An understanding of shutter speeds and apertures etc should make us better photographers in the long run, but these kids have such a head start with their digital. I went to the States in July, got onto the ramps and runways at DCA and took 150 photos on 35mm slide film. Most are pin sharp, but can I get them on a.net ?
    Many thanks to the screeners who have taken time out with their personal comments here by the way!
    Now, if I'd gone Digital in June rather than August...............
    Anyway, time to be grumpy with the rest of the family - I cultivate it as an art form !
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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:02 pm

    Who on earth complained about the black and white images? That is absolutely disgusting.

    I can't emphasise enough to people that have these large collections: If you have the means to upload them, please do. Personally, I think they're a priceless contribution.

    Cheers


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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:11 pm

    My first steps on photography were with a Canon EOS RT. Having so much camera, I wanted to get the best out of it, bought many photography books and experimented a lot with that camera. Then, I bought the EOS 30, tried some slide films and switched definitely to Fuji Provia. About a year later, I got my first digital, a Sony F707, it was a nice camera, but the photography feeling was gone. Now, with my 2nd hand EOS D60, I have the best of both worlds in my opinion.

    BTW, a few weeks ago, I found an old slide film on my desk .... shall I try?  Wink/being sarcastic I guess so  Big thumbs up

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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:55 pm

    Mick,
    You inject some much needed humour into the forum  Smile

    I'd like to second the others comments, I have really enjoyed viewing your photos, especially the Lightning shots, once again I wish I had been able to photograph these machines. All I can do now is visit Bruntingthorpe and just wish one of them would take to the skies again!

    But rules dictate that unfortunately we won't see this happen in UK airspace  Sad
    Can I join the Grumpy Old Men club..?

    Keep up the good work,

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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:00 pm

    Thanks for the comments about my photos.
    The Lightnings and the Vulcans should be seen in the air where they belong. How can any of us get near to conveying with a camera the awesome power, the ground shaking power of those beasts.
    The earth has moved for me many times, but not like being had by a Vulcan (Sorry Mrs Spock)
    If I could turn the clock back I would have taken more colour. I think I have a valuable archive too - but watch my stats plummet when I start on the old light aircraft, even the classics. I loved the recent KZ aircraft from Denmark in 1976. They were beauts even then but I bet they have been looked at mainly by Danes. I had even forgotten one of my favourites being there, a Hornet Moth.
    There were quite a few complaints but the main one came from someone in Belgium who must have created a hotmail account just to complain. An American pilot who was actually flying one of my black and whites, and with whom I have become friends, actually wrote in my support to the Belgian (copied to Johan) but did not get a reply from Belgium
    The grumpy old man in me actually likes the black and white for the old airliners, but other times I cringe when I remember what they looked like in colour. The fact remains that I probably would not have so many images if I had done them in colour and I did travel a lot (at my own expense). These photos have never been seen by anyone other than me until I found the delights (and I really mean that !) of a.net
    I'm not really that grumpy most of the time. When at work I used to say that I insulted everyone evenly, without any reference to rank or status, I guess that in itself is a form of humour and I could get away with almost anything (though racism I would not tolerate)
    Should we start a thread on grumpy old men and see how many we get ?
    Mick Bajcar (pronounced Bicer by the way)
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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:23 pm

    Mick,

    As a fellow Nottingham-ite and East Midlands lurker, long term photographer (as detailed above), and I suspect soon a member of the a.net grumpy club ( my "friends" tell me I can be a grumpy old sod already, and Colin seems to have placed me in the group) welcome to a.net.

    Andy
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    Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:34 pm

    Andy
    I think we're due to meet early next year, if not before anyway aren't we?
    The a.net grumpy old men club is growing apace.....
    Your approval for full membership is in the upload queue.
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    Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:45 am

    I've been into photography since I was a freshman in high school, when I got my first camera for Christmas.

    My photographic specialties: Airliners and architecture! A lifelong 35mm film shooter, just started digital.

    Here's my short list of my photography career:
    *Christmas 1990: Kodak Star 335 point-and-shoot 35mm

    *Summer 1995: Olympus Stylus Zoom compact (actually my mother's, but she and I both used it equally often--it took better pictures than my Kodak and had zoom). Shot my first real airliner photo with it--an Aer Lingus 747 (EI-ASJ all white) landing at BOS over harbor.

    *Summer 2002: My first SLR film camera--Olympus IS-20--I LOVED this camera practically to death! It finally broke down this Sept. just before I arrived in London. Took beautiful airliner photos with it over the years. Of all my cameras, the IS-20 took the BEST pictures I've ever taken!

    *Fall 2003/Spring 2004: Nikon FM-10. Used this in a photography class in university. I loved it! It was all-manual, and allowed me to use my creativity and imagination in shooting my architectural photos as well as pictures of my unique collection of medical devices--craniofacial implants, anaesthetic equipment, surgical instruments, and glass syringes. I LOVE shooting black and white, I found out. I even won several prizes at local art shows with my Nikon FM-10 b&w shots! If only I could find one in London--but these are NOT available in England, several local camera dealers told me!

    *September 2004: My first digital camera--Fuji FinePix A330--hastily purchased to replace the IS-20, but it's way below my photographic standard.
    Does not take the best airliner photos! I'm used to high-quality SLR-type photos, so this little p&s camera is not up to my snuff for shooting planes and architecture.

    I am thinking of getting myself another (good) camera--maybe to replace my FinePix A330 or supplement it.
    I would love to get another SLR film camera, such as a Canon 3000N or EOS 300V with two lenses (Dixons in London is selling these as twin-lens kits for great prices). I have been a lifelong 35mm film shooter.
    But I also have been looking at better digital cameras like the Dimage Z3 or Lumix or Kodak 7490 types, all of which have big zoom lenses. I really like shooting airliners and buildings with big zoom lenses.

    What should I do? I love the sharp quality of film SLR photos, but I also like the instant feedback of digital. Should I go with a new film SLR kit (Canon) with twin lenses (a Dixons bargain), or should I replace my A330 with another, more capable digital camera like a Z-3, Lumix, or Kodak 7490?

    Please give me more advice on my dilemma (film SLR or digital). It would be REALLY appreciated. Thanks!

    SmithAir747


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    Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:55 am

    Well, having just turned 34 I fear I am still too young fopr the "grumpy old men"  Big grin but still I like b&w photographs from old aircraft!

    During the 1980s I used an old Agfa Optima compact camera from the 1960s. Around 1990 my father gave me his Canon AE-1 with a Canon 35-70mm/F4 lens. On a trip to Jersey in 1996 I bought a second hand Canon 70-210/F4 lens which finally allowed me to get into some more serious aviation photography and I still have hundreds of slides in boxes, even though I never did 50mm sideshots.

    In 2002 I went digital and bought a Minolta Dimage 5, being lured by the SLR-like manual and semi-automatic options. However, even though the camera was in general able to produce really good photos, my experiences with the autofocus were very disappointing and I could not focus manually as the LCD viewfinder was not clear enough to judge the true sharpness like I could with the all manual AE-1. Later in that year I accidentally forgot my digicam in the office before going on a trip and spontaneously decided to take my old gear (AE-1) with me again. I cannot describe in words how much fun photography was again, having everything under control and having to blame myself for bad photos rather than the slow AF etc of the digicam. The photographer was again the deciding part, not the camera.

    So in 2003 I changed to a DSLR and bought the Canon 10D with a 24-85 and 70-200. I simply love experimenting with the camera, trying new stuff and continue to learn with every shot I take. However I think I owe most of this to my time with the AE-1, which still rests in a bag next to my desk.... so whenever I should get my hands on a slide film, I might just try it again for fun  Smile

    Cheers,
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    Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:29 pm

    Patroni,
    LuX used to be one of the friendliest airports imaginable with access to the ramps in the early 1970s simply by asking. I photographed every aircraft there on three occasions, even when I was a long-haired bum. They should make it onto the database one day.
    The last time I passed through in a LET - 410 and used the GA facilities things were very different !
    Looks good for photographs still, despite being from the other side of the wire.

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    Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:13 pm

    SmithAir - I wouldn't presume to advise you as to whether to go film or digital, however, if film is your choice, I would caution you against the Dixon "kits". Typically the low price is due to the lenses being pretty awful - Canon's bottom of the line rubbish produced, I think, solely for the purpose of making attractive looking "kits" for the novice.

    If you want to go with film, you should have a look at the 2nd hand market - there are some fantastic film buys to be had as people have dumped almost new cameras in the rush to digital. For lenses, you would do better to look at 3rd party makers such as Sigma or Tamron than bottom or the range Canon.

    (PS if Nikon is of interest, I might be able to help you out with a very clean F65 outfit - email me)

    Cheers,

    Colin
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    Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:44 pm

    Response to Ckw:

    I just sent you an email in response to your last post here (about your Nikon N65 outfit).

    I don't mind using Nikon at all--in fact, I was delighted with the Nikon FM-10 I used in my university photography class--it gave Nikon a very good reputation with me, and I would be delighted to try Nikon again!

    Thanks for your response to my post!

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    Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:32 am

    SmithAir747,

    A few little bits about the Z3, which I have learned from using it and which I'd like to share with you before you take the plunge:

    Plus points - large zoom, fast autofocus (you won't miss much with this), batteries seem to last forever, built in image stabilizer is effective, good all-purpose camera, relatively cheap.

    Minus points - Does not capture as much of the finer detail as I think is really necessary for a.net quality pictures. I am basing this statement on a review I saw somewhere on-line (which has excellent comparison pictures to illustrate this point) that compared it to the new Panasonic Lumix model (forget the exact model number) and on my own experiences with my other digital camera, a Fujifilm S602Z. This results in pictures looking a little bit too soft. I'm also having a problem with it overexposing whites compared to other colours in sunnier shots, although it seems OK when its cloudy. Overall I rate the S602Z as the better camera and try to use the Z3 only when the S602Z lacks the reach required. I may be doing the Z3 an injustice as I have not had it very long and have not had much of a chance to learn it yet (for example, I need to try it with built in noise-reduction switched off), but I would like to try out the Panasonic Lumix instead. The biggest turn off for me with the Panasonic is that it doesn't use AA batteries, which are so convenient. I'm not unhappy with the Z3, it just isn't as much of a detail-grabber as I would like.

    Best regards,

    Jim
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