DLKAPA
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First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:49 am

Two very cool things happened to me today.

1) While I was at DRO, a pilot approached me and asked me if I had photographed his aircraft while landing. I found the picture on my camera and showed it to him, to which he handed me his business card, told me to e-mail him, and told me he was interested in buying a print.

On a completely unrelated instance,

2) I recieved this e-mail:

I'll make sure that the wing walker in your picture gets a copy of the photo. I take it you shot that photo from the coffee house just before the security check point. Were you flying out? If I can work it out with my supervisor, another fan of airliners.net, I can see about getting you out on the ramp, when the sunsets. I work for a company called Worldwide, and we take care of American Airlines, with six in and out to DFW, all Mad Dog Eighties. We also have one trip a day, to STL, on a RJ145, with American Connection. That can be a toss up between TSA, or Chataqua Airlines. I probably didn't even spell that right. Oh well. Thanks for putting COS out there. And please, fly COS.

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To uphold the good reputation of the photographer
community, please try to reply to photo usage requests.


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Photo © Eric Daniel Smith



All that I can say is WOOOHOOOOO!!  Big thumbs up
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:52 am

when you get the opportunity to do something out of the ordinary (for me it could be a hop on a Boeing test flight, or ramp access to shot something special) you keep it to yourself. The quickest way to get someone in trouble is to run your mouth. Let your results speak for themselves, no need to brag. Especially before the fact.

Edit for typo.



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lyzzard
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:12 pm

Oh c'mon, just let him enjoy his day. I'm sure he's just feeling elated enough to want to share it with the rest of us.
 
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:15 pm

Awesome Eric! Sure feels good when you get that kind of liking to and respect from Airport Ops. Just today I made peace with Airport Ops at Daytona Beach... which might lead to greater things  Smile

Also, I am hoping to make it out to COS here in the next couple months.. Perhaps when the time comes I can email you about spotting locations? I have been to COS many times, but this will be my first with a "real camera."

Anyways.. Congrats on your letter! Hope good things come from it  Smile

-Adam
 
DLKAPA
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:39 pm

The only spotting location I know about is the one where I took the pic above, which is the coffee shop just outside security.
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:28 pm

Why not just get a job with the airline? Not that it will guarantee you the right to tote your camera around on the ramp. I'd like to but I need to get the permission from the right guy first.

Perhaps you could come to PHX and get some pics of me pushing, wingwalking, or marshalling.  Big thumbs up

Perhaps this is a good place to share this...I just got it today:
Hey Ben nice photo,I was just looking at this web site to find a color
to paint my 500 and there Iam,just so happens I was taking my check
ride with an examiner in that photo.

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DLKAPA
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:01 pm

I'll be getting a job with Mesa down here in Durango come January Big grin
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:16 am

DLKAPA,

Since you are still new to this hobby I'll cut you some slack. There are two rules that photographers have been following for a long time:

(1) Don't brag every chance you get about how you have ramp access through your job.
(2) Don't brag if you get some kind of special ramp access at an airport.

#1 is pretty self explanatory. It's pretty rude to continuously "rub it in everyone's face" that you work for such and such airline and you have ramp access.

#2 is important though. When you announce to the world that somebody somewhere might give you ramp access, you may flood OPS or whatever department is extending you the invitation with phone calls from all over the place from people asking it they too can get out on the ramp (see the example at LAX this spring/summer). "You took so and so out, why not me?" The end result, people get annoyed, you don't get invited back and NO ONE ELSE gets an invitation. This kind of news you really need to keep private.

This is the kind of stuff that causes seasoned veterans of this hobby to have a bad attitude to the newcomers.
 
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:23 am

This is the kind of stuff that causes seasoned veterans of this hobby to have a bad attitude to the newcomers.

Word.
 
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:35 am

Dude...you're lucky getting a job with Mesa. Here in PHX they have several hotties workin' on the ramp. They have even more hotties workin' upstairs. It's like they do their recruiting at a mall or something.  Love
 
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:41 am

This is the kind of stuff that causes seasoned veterans of this hobby to have a bad attitude to the newcomers.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/148481/6/

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/137411/6/


Whilst I agree with your sentiments, It would appear that the 'seasoned veterans' should themselves be wary where they throw stones.

Cheers


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clickhappy
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:47 am

James. You're off the rails.

Using your examples, and comparing them to what we are talking about in this thread, we should see Joe or Sam creating posts about the access they might get? Doesn't make any sense, infact the opposite is true.

Go back and do a search and see if you can find a topic like that, then you will have made your point.

Royal
 
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:55 am

looks like I missed your point James.

Maybe I am off the rails  Sad

Rather than edit I will take the abuse.
 
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:55 am

Royal,

No probs.

Cheers

James






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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:56 am

What I think is that when you enter a group of people, be it your street football team or an internet forum, you should first observe the general behavior and then respect that behavior to be well accepted, generally speaking newbies acting as hotshots are not very welcome in any group.

In this forum there are some official rules and some unofficial rules, if someone comes here without caring and respecting these rules and the "atmosphere", maybe he'll hear some things he doesn't like.

Luis


 
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:57 am

Whoa calm down guys!

One elated budding photographer first starting to see opportunities open up and now all of a sudden I am:

Rude, Bragging alot, a "Newbie acting like a hotshot."

Wow you "experienced" photographers sure make the scene welcoming to newcommers.
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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:45 am

Congrats Eric...have fun while your at it!

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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:29 pm

Eric - Congrats on your success, sorry it got turned into a lecture on here. Your parade really got rained out. You're right - sometimes the old battle axes around here tend to rip on a new guy pretty aggressively. For your candor and your kindness under fire, welcome to my respected users list.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Royal - I understand completely what you're saying. Perhaps a better way for you to have approached this is to e-mail Eric privately, or send him a PM through here. It shows much more character (and class, frankly) if you reprimand someone privately. Doing so publicly is in very poor taste. I'm not the only one on this thread who feels this way. Give the kid a break. Rip him a new one in private if you want to. Otherwise have a Coke and a smile.  Big thumbs up

Drew



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RE: First Print Sale, And The Possibility Of Ramp.

Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:38 pm

Good luck with your contact. But having ramp access doesn't mean s**t if you don't take good photos. If you want to silence the veterans, then knock our socks off with some good ramp shots. 'Talk' isn't impressive.

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