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Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:31 pm

Hello all,

Although proven very popular, I have after much consideration decided to remove photos where the main subject is a woman, often half-naked. I apologize to the photographers effected.

Airliners.net wants to keep a professional reputation and will in the future stay away from such cheap and tacky photos. True, they do get a lot of clicks but if that was the only thing important, I'd soon be running a porn site.

examples of photos that will not be accepted in the future include:







Photos shot with some class and with an aircraft visible (like some from St. Maarten) will remain in the database.

Regards,
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:33 pm

Sounds fair enough to me.  Smile

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:55 pm

Booooooo Hisssssssss....... It always gave me a good eyefull when one of these pictures came up  Smile

Seriously I can can see why its being done. Better to stop the issue before it become a problem i guess....

Anyone got any links to some porn sites  Smile  Smile
(Thats a joke by the way so please don't post any)

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:57 pm

Here is me thinking the Swedish are open minded!

It's your site Johan but I do think bit by bit the goal posts are getting smaller, the rules getting larger and the advertisements getting bigger.

We all love aviation here and we are all mature to distinct between porn or simple aviation related photograph with a human being! in it. Your comment of half naked got me confused? I stared at the Hooters Air Orange Girl cockpit shot for 5 min trying to make them half naked but I couldn't.

I guess you have your reasons for it Johan, But PLEASE don't take the enjoyment out of it, the greatest thing about Airliners.net is the diverse amount of photographs and seeing a "Half Naked Women" as you put it is a refreshing change, We see them 1 in every 1000 photographs, they are respectful, they are part of aviation, these people, man or women are part of aviation.

I think you will receive lots of feedback about your decision, many of it bad. You have your reasons which I respect isn't the greatest thing about A.Net the ability to discuss things before making the decisions, discuss it with the people who make the site what it is?? After all its these people who have made the site as popular as it is.

Don't take the fun out of this Johan, Keep it respectful, I don't agree to topless women, I don't agree to sexual innuendo, none of the A.net photographs show any of these?

Thanks


 
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:13 pm

>Here is me thinking the Swedish are open minded!

That's one of the reasons to why they are gone. I am open minded and realized it was disrespectful to woman (treating them like objects) and we should be able to stay above that, even though we are 99% men.

>Your comment of half naked got me confused?

Then maybe you should read my comment again (note "often").

>discuss it with the people who make the site what it is??

Not everything is up for discussion. I participate frequently in the Photography and Site Related forum, it is totally absurd to insinuate that I do not listen and discuss things with photographers and visitors.

Regards,
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:23 pm

Johan,

Well how disappointed I am!  Big grin

In all seriousness Airliners.net has to up-hold its professional front, so I can understand the removal of such pictures. It's up to you what's on here so fair play!

Whether people agree on it or disagree on it, the change has been made so its kind of tough to revert that now. Of course I will voice my opinion, but at the end of the day not everyone will have things their way.

With the VS one being top of yesterday I can imagine there were some complaints about the level of nudity (Hubba hubba) in that shot. Personally I think someone (most people) have it in for Branson!  Laugh out loud

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:31 pm

Johan,

Your site, your rules. I don't honestly think they were doing any harm - it was just a bit of fun, and let's face it, nice to look at.

Cheers



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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:02 pm

Hi there,

I understand and respect your will and I actually agree with you.

I would only argue about the last example photo you placed above, i.e. mr Branson and the bikini girls. This one photo, apart from other ones, commemorates a more or less noticeable event, and I think it is worth keeping in the database. I would personally consider this particular one as an exception to what you have described as "cheap and tacky".

Just a thought
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:05 pm

I agree 100%, however the Virgin Atlantic picture on the wing I feel is aviation. The concorde crew although clothed has their picture on a wing. This is a shot of unification between two countries and new airline service. I understand the toss up and I agree some of those pictures make you look at things other than the aircraft itself.

Now on a related topic, are we not going to see half-naked women on the banner adds? There are adds for Sexy Singles that are just like any of those pictures posted.

But like said earlier you're the boss.
 
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:06 pm

I had no beef with those photos, I felt they were valid, fun contributions to the database (although when Derek's first photo was accepted I was a little bit sceptical as there wasn't much aviation in the photo). I think this is a more light hearted side to A.net that has now been erased and I think we've taken a step back by doing so. But after all, its Johan's site and he can do what he want with it.
 
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:09 pm

Good riddance! These shots should go on myaviation.net or something instead.
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:15 pm

So, how about moving all those pics to www.airlinerchicks.net??  Big thumbs up
Man, those were some great shots. I understand the decision, though.
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:36 pm

Perhaps Johan is right ... I've just had a look at some warbird pics on A.net. Talk about your tacky and cheap. I will not shame the photographers by posting examples, but if you can stand the moral depravation, go and have a look at "The Dragon and his Tail" or "Hard to Get"



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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:39 pm

Johan

Your site, your rules.

I love the site and the forum. I enjoy logging on and reading all the tips photographers post when it comes to photography and equipment, I have learnt so much in the last month and I can't thank those involved enough for their advice.
I just have one question for you. If you say you have this morality issue with woman in bikini's then why do you allow advertisment of half naked women for screensavers on you site. Surely if you have a problem with these photo's then you must with this kind of advertisment. I understand you need advertisment to pay for the site, but surely you can screen what is advertised!

Just my thought

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:40 pm

>mr Branson and the bikini girls

If Mr Branson wants his memorable moments on Airliners.net from now on, he'll have to celebrate them without the tacky bikini girls. But as I presume Mr Branson gives little regard to what happens on Airliners.net, it will be up to the photographers.

This is a good example of a photo that's Airliners.net material:


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Aircraft clearly visible and in focus. The inclusion of Mr Branson naturally makes the photo even better.

>I felt they were valid, fun contributions to the database

They might have been fun but hardly valid in an aircraft/airport database such as ours.

I am very, very sorry I did not deal with this at an earlier stage, I hate having to remove photos.

Regards,
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:48 pm

he'll have to selebrate them without the tacky bikini girls.

The inclusion of Mr Branson naturally makes the photo even better.

Well, no accounting for taste  Smile

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:51 pm

>allow advertisment of half naked women for screensavers on you site

I do not approve of those at all and have been trying to get them removed. Same goes for all ads by that advertiser (they run "free smilies" ads as well) as their software comes very close to being spyware. I see your point about being consequent and will again try work together with our ad agencies to have them removed.

>I've just had a look at some warbird pics on A.net

The Airliners.net policy on nose art is that we do not accept close-ups of the art (just like we do not accept close-ups of airline logos), but we do accept photos that display a part of the aircraft including the art/logo (like tail close-ups).

I have no problem with nudity in photos as long as it is not the main focus and abide to other upload rules.

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:02 am

Good. If I wanted the other stuff I would go to another site  Smile/happy/getting dizzy...
BUT...I think other pics (like Johan said) like SXM or other exotic beach stuff should STAY...
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:06 am

OK Johan joking aside, I do understand why you have made this decision but, if so, you need to be consistent.

"tacky" "disgraceful" are very subjective - are you saying if the girls in Sam's pics were wearing formal evening wear, they would be allowed to stay? How about mid length skirts? Mini skirts? It's not a sustainable criteria. Aside from the bikini girls, some of Sam's pics were no less "aircraft related" than Paul's Branson pic which you applaud.

The problem is, I don't see how you can fairly and consistently apply this decision without rigorously enforcing the "bad people" rule, which, now you've set the precedent, should entail removing all pics which offend this rule - otherwise you are discriminating unfairly against some photographers simply based on the sex of their subject matter.

Cheers,

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:09 am

So I take it you'll be removing this:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/609283/L/

...and what about the recently accepted shot of the DC3 crew just standing in the doorway? (I cant remember the airline, or I'd have a link)

You shouldn't retro actively apply new, made up rules to photos already in the database. The photo past the screeners at the time, with the standards in place. If that's the case why don't you start removing the older photos that obviously don't fit today's standards? The fair thing to do would be to allow these photos, since there already in the database, and announce the new policy as you're doing and start applying it now.

The Hooters shot was only my most popular photo and the 15th most popular on the site, taken from an arranged shoot, and published in a magazine. They're not half naked, and since they are actual CREW members, this photo has significance, it's not just some hot girls that happened to be there.

Brian - SPOT THIS!

PS: 5 bucks says you'll find some excuse to let the Sky Europe pic I linked above stay in the database
 
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:16 am

NonRevKing: Cheers for that link  Big thumbs up
New desktop in case it is removed  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:17 am


>Sam's pics were no less "aircraft related" than
>Paul's Branson pic which you applaud.

That is not true. The photo I used as example clearly show an aircraft in focus. That was not the case with the photos removed.

>"tacky" "disgraceful" are very subjective - are you
>saying if the girls in Sam's pics were wearing formal evening wear,

No, their presence would still have been utterly unrelated to aviation. They are there as "eye candy" and serve no other purpose. Anyway, the main point is still that an aircraft was not in focus. There are more photos in the database like this that will be removed.

>should entail removing all pics which offend this rule

It is very simple Colin - I do not want people to be the full focus of the shot. In addition to that, I will not support the use of "bikini girls" in publicity shots, it's just so lame. Sure that's a subjective view I guess but every photo on this site is accepted or rejected based on subjective views.

This is not ok:


While this is ok:


I hope I have made myself crisp clear.

Thanks,
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:17 am

The pic from the DC3 seems that it has been removed as I don't find it. I think it was taken in Wien, isn't it?

 
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:19 am

I only look at a.net for the articles  Wink/being sarcastic

Most of us are plane geeks one way or another, and will see the aviation element in almost any picture. I was perusing - for research purposes - one of my other half's fashion rags. Motorola were running a campaign which featured a girl in an evening dress standing inside the cowling of a turbofan. I swear my first thought was "that looks like a JT9D..I wonder if it is...." before I berated myself for being sad.

Oh well.

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:20 am

lets not be sexist, i hope this extends to half naked men aswell


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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:22 am

... but I can get someone to stand under a plane on Maho beach with their tits out and that's OK? Isn't this all getting a bit out of hand?

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:25 am

Further I want everyone who's reading this to let this fact sink in:

Johan Lundgren, the owner of airliners.net, has publicly called the photos of some of this site's most popular and respected photographers "cheap", "tacky", and "disgraceful".

You're welcome for all the support, time, money, and effort I've put into uploading here for the past 7 years.  Sad

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:30 am

Lets face it... it is not possible ( not to say impossible ) to get a SXM beach shot without any people dressed in swimming clothes... I think we all got Johan's point about why he removed the photos.

The only thing I'd have suggested was to leave the photos in the database, but not to accept any new ones which fit into this category.

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:31 am

Great Johan! Only thing left to do is to clean up the non-av forum!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:32 am

>So I take it you'll be removing this:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/609283/L/

No. The girl is clearly relevant to the shot with the aircraft in the background portraying the big graphic.

>DC3 crew just standing in the doorway?

I remember that, but haven't decided yet (haven't seen it).

>The fair thing to do would be to allow these photos,
>since there already in the database

Yes, that is normally how we do things. I again apologize for not dealing with this issue at an earlier stage.

>The Hooters shot was only my most popular
>photo and the 15th most popular on the site

It was popular not because it was a great shot, a rare aircraft or had amazing artistic qualities - it was popular because the main focus was cute girls. Is that really a photo you would like to have as your "top" photo? You're an amazing photographer Brian, you should have a photo up there because the photo itself is great in aviation terms, not because of the smiles of cute girls.

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:37 am

>lets not be sexist, i hope this extends to half naked men aswell

No, I will not remove that photo for reasons already explained at least three times above. Kindly read it again.

>"cheap", "tacky", and "disgraceful".

Yes, the motif - never the image qualities. Aren't you being a bit silly now?

/ Johan


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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:37 am

It is very simple Colin - I do not want people to be the full focus of the shot. In addition to that, I will not support the use of "bikini girls" in publicity shots, it's just so lame. Sure that's a subjective view I guess but every photo on this site is accepted or rejected based on subjective views.

This is not ok:


I DONT APPRECIATE YOU USING MY PHOTO AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS "NOT OK"  Pissed

As the copyright owner of the Hooters photo, you DO NOT have my permission to use my it, and I want it removed from your post immediately.

Thank you,
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:38 am

- Is that really a photo you would like to have as your "top" photo?

I, speaking for myself, would...

I think the unfair point about this new "rule" is that photographers were NOT contacted before the deletion....
If I'd check my photo stats and recognize there are about 300,000 views and some nice photos missing from one day to another without explanation... it is a reason to stand up, isn't it?

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:45 am

Sure that's a subjective view I guess but every photo on this site is accepted or rejected based on subjective views

This really is quite pathetic, and makes a joke (or reveals the truth?) of all the many years of discussions, arguements, debates about the fairness, consistency of the screening process. Yes, it is your site, you can do what you like, but shall we now forget all the pretence about standards?

As to the two cockpit shots you use to illustrate your point. Sorry, I know which one I'd rather see, as would 90% of the people on this site - including, I think, our female members. Its not about cute girls or bikinis (please do try and get past that) - "hooters" is a better shot because it has a "human" element to it. Hey, guess what? Aircraft can be fun.

I hope I have made myself crisp clear

Oh yes, absolutely!

Cheers,

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:49 am

>So I take it you'll be removing this:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/609283/L/

No. The girl is clearly relevant to the shot with the aircraft in the background portraying the big graphic.


Hahah. I knew it, you're a hypocrite. That's a picture of a girl, not a plane. It's the exact same thing as the Hooters shot, a promotion for the airline.

Yes, that is normally how we do things. I again apologize for not dealing with this issue at an earlier stage.

So why change now? And I don't believe for one second that you really are sorry, your ego wouldn't allow it.

Is that really a photo you would like to have as your "top" photo? You're an amazing photographer Brian, you should have a photo up there because the photo itself is great in aviation terms, not because of the smiles of cute girls.

Yes, I do want it up there actually. I was very proud of it. Colin said it perfectly: "These girls are professional models, they are not doing anything immoral or illegal. They are effectively, part of the airline. I think if you find "disgrace" in this, that is a personal problem and should have nothing to do with A.net."

As a point of fact, the girls I used actually are crew members for Hooters Air, so by your logic, the DC3 photo should be gone, but I'm sure you'll keep it.

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:52 am

Johan,

I have to agree with Florian and this "Rule Change" should not have been been invoked via this forum. It, and similar events which lead to removal of photographers work should be issued via email to the contributors.

I am not surprised that Brian is so incensed by not only to losing a very popular photograph but to also have his image "dragged through the dirt" in this forum by yourself is, frankly, out of order.

You may think these folks are being silly but in my humble opinion you have handled this in a most unprofessional and insensitive manner.

John

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:57 am

Aren't you being a bit silly now?

If you call "silly" being upset because my most popular photo was removed with no warning after being up for over a year and a half, further being labeled by the owner of the "most popular aviation website on the internet" as cheap and disgraceful, and then being used as an example of what is "not ok" WITHOUT my permission...

...then yes, I'm silly.

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:03 am

I agree with the idea for the Hooters Air pic, but what about exceptional one-chance pictures such as the Richard Branson one in Australia as shown above. That picture shows something you noramlly would not see and even though the main focus in Sir Richard and the 2 women, the photo is something, IMHO, that is worth on this site since the most impressive Aviation Entrepreneur in in it.... Don't you agree?

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:03 am

Johan, I must agree with many on here. It is fully understandable to me that you want to impose such a rule, which I am very ok with, and I fully agree.

However, you should spread the word among the screeners that they should take this into account FROM NOW ON when screening, and not accept pictures where pretty ladies are the main focus.

Back in the day when you started imposing more stringent rules for acceptance on here, you did not go removing all photos whose horizon was not completely level, or whose quality did not exhibit that of more current pictures. This applies here too! I would amend the rules on the page you read before you get to the upload page, and put those photos back that you have removed. It is certainly not fair to the photographers that uploaded those pictures since at the time of uploading, they were not aware of such a rule.

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:24 am

Johan

I must agree with some of the comments here. You have acted quite unprofessional here. This knee jerk reaction of yours could have been avoided if you had contacted Derek first, if nothing else other than out of pure courtesy. He deserved that from you!! If you had the time to sit down and discuss this with your screeners to remove the photo then you had the time to write to him informing him of your decision before you removed it and allowed him the opportunity to appeal your decision.
Its a rule that should be applied to all future photo's, not ones that have been already allowed.

You have made a few people angry here and possibly lost a good photographer and maybe more, time will only tell the extent of the damage.

I'm not an experienced aviation photographer but I am a manager and I do know first hand how crucial decisions can be if you don't discuss them with the relevant people. Just remember its photographers like Derek that make your site worth while. Without them you'd have nothing!!

Take care

Fergul  Smile

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:38 am

Very well said Fergul!

I'm upset right now, and I need some time to calm down and think rationally. I think I'm gonna use my day, among other things, to think about my future involvement with this site.

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:39 am

Oh, no!!! What a disgrace!!! Just when I had convinced my gorgeous girlfriend to pose half naked in the cockpit and was going to get the hits I do not get (but deserve) with my boring shots with just a plane in them, you go and change the rules!!! What am I gonna do now?!! How will I get those precious hits?!!! Life's not fair...  Wink/being sarcastic

Seriously, I do not think most of those shots were meant to be in an "aviation database", and certainly those are not the shots that get me "drooling" with envy. But I understand the photographers' frustration when having their popular shots removed, we all love hits!

In the end, the boss is the boss.

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:41 am

I hardly post here, and I´m hardly a well known name or something like that..

But,

I have to agree with Brian, and Derek who also had a photo removed. We all understand that the site is yours Johan, but, let´s not forget that it is nothing without the photographers.
So if I have a nice site, with a bunch of guys sending photos for free, which in turn give the site loads of traffic, the last thing I would do is piss this guys.

Ok, no more half-naked girls images (I'm having a difficult time trying to see some half-naked girls on the Hooters shot, btw) but apply some new rule on something which is not only already there for a long time, and worse, makes success, by removing the photos without advising the authors is at least disrespectful. And saying that you had no time to write the emails? Well this is rather funny as you indeed had spare time to search the photo database on this "witch-hunt", didn't you?

As an example, I can say that many times I saw the Hooters shot being posted in aviation forums worldwide, and on all occasions it was very well received by the audience and also, on many occasions, was the first ever hint to some people that airliners.net ever existed.

All people here like aviation and planes, but, planes are nothing but metal junk without the human presence, be it a pilot, a passenger, a mechanic or nice smiling girls.

Best regards, and running for shelter..

RS

[Edited 2004-12-10 17:45:06]
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:52 am

Javibi,

But I understand the photographers' frustration when having their popular shots removed, we all love hits!

I think the root problem here is by far not the hits matters, but the way all this situation was (mis)handled by the site owner...

Saludos

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:58 am


And Derek, Brian:

Please do not remove your photos, you've got lots to be proud of:


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Do you really want to be remembered for those removed shots?

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:06 am

RS:

I agree with you and the rest who said that Johan should have contacted the photogs prior to removing the pics, but I honestly think hits play an important part here.

IMHO, most those pics are only interesting because of the girls; I think we all agree this site is not a "girls' pictures site", so I think even the owners of the pics know Johan has a point.

Regards

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:08 am

You're going to have to change the name of this site to puritans.net.

Take the Virgin shot, a PR event arranged by an 'AIRLINE' to promote and celebrate the opening of it's new route has nothing to do with airliners.net, the supposedly premier aviation photography website.  Nuts

This website is gonna miss out on a lot of historic events. So when the A380 rolls out and Airbus may use women wearing swimwear, we not going to see any of these pics on here.  Nuts
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:09 am

dont bite my head off or anything im just making an example, sams one i mentioned earlier, must have clearly have meant for that guy to be in shot, if that was a girl in the same pose in a bikini would it have been taken off as sam may have had alterier motives if it was a nice girl in a thong with her butt there insted of the large gentleman, only wondering. if were going to sencor girls butts we should sencor guys butts as's'wel

cince im not very good at making sence ill clarafie, if the guy in sams picture was a girl in a thong would it be taken off
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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:10 am

I think we all agree this site is not a "girls' pictures site", so I think even the owners of the pics know Johan has a point.

You think wrong.

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RE: Rule Change: Half-naked Woman

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:17 am

Do you really want to be remembered for those removed shots?

I want to be remembered on Anet for standing up to what is right!

I expect people to be polite and show just a bit of respect for my work if nothing else rather than just toss it aside without a second thought


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