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Bad Motive Feedback

Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:01 am

I recently had this photo rejected for bad motive:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/APBGK1311.jpg

I am happy to accept the verdict of the screener. But I am interested to know what others think. With hindsight I can accept that the image of the plane is rather 'cluttered' by buildings etc in the background, which I can see may be seen to detract from the image of the 777. Do you think this is the main reason for the rejection? However, my motivation for the photo was, in part, to illustrate the notable increase in power that such heavies need to cross the active landing runway at Manchester. There is a famous 'hump' and I felt the half submerged Dash 8 under the 777's fuselage illustrated this rather well and might be of some interest.

If I'm clutching at straws, so be it. At least the rejection has given me the opportunity to try with another image of this aircraft taken then without fear of being 'baddoubled'.

All the best.

Paul
 
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RE: Bad Motive Feedback

Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:05 am

Signs covering the nosewheel.

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Justin  Smile
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RE: Bad Motive Feedback

Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:06 am

Signs obscuring the wheels, and that aerial over the horizontal stabs, are killers.

A
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RE: Bad Motive Feedback

Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:16 am

Justin/Andy,

Thanks - that's helpful. I was conscious of the aerial, though wasn't really aware that this would be a killer blow. But, if I'm honest, I don't think I'd even noticed the loss of the nose gear. All good experience. I need to get better with my precision about these things as I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets caught up with one aspect of an image and so fails to see another.

Ta.

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RE: Bad Motive Feedback

Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:24 am

Paul,

I never noticed the aerial until the second look at the image! It's all a steady learning curve, keep at it! (I know I am!!)  Smile

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Justin  Big thumbs up
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RE: Bad Motive Feedback

Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:29 am

Ha, the thing that stood out to me immediately was the aerial over the stabs rather than the nose wheel - screeners eye maybe?  Big grin

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RE: Bad Motive Feedback

Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:31 am

Exactly, thats why you have the position!  Big grin

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RE: Bad Motive Feedback

Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:46 am

The titles on the front of the plane seem a tad soft as well. Nice shot though!  Big thumbs up

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RE: Bad Motive Feedback

Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:05 pm

Good spot Charlie - I recall that I used layers with this one because when I initially did my usual sharpening I felt the PIA titles appeared too jagged for my liking, so I erased some of the sharpness from them to remove that. Looks like I may have given that a bit too much. It's funny - that was one issue that I thought a screener's eye would be drawn to (because I had noticed it), and so I made an attempt to rectify that, whilst missing the nosewheel issue totally.

But, as Justin, says, all good learning experience.

Paul
 
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RE: Bad Motive Feedback

Sat Dec 18, 2004 3:57 am

The rejection above enabled me to submit the photo below that was successful in being added to the database today.


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Photo © Paul Markman



Out of interest, had the rejected photo not had those problems with that sign covering the nosegear and that aerial, would it have been possible to upload both of these photos (taken on the same day) or do you think that would have fallen foul of the 'bad double' rejection?

I know this has been debated recently, so my apologies if you consider this going over old ground, but I am interested to know from this 'live' example whether the 2 views would have been considered different enough to justify 2 photos being uploaded.

I would be interested in any comments.

Ta.

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RE: Bad Motive Feedback

Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:03 am

Paul,

Lovely shot you had accepted there. However, for me it would be 'badmanipulation'. You've obviously faked it - everybody knows there's no sun at MAN  Wink/being sarcastic


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RE: Bad Motive Feedback

Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:07 am

James,

And I thought my Photoshop technique was foolproof Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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