javibi
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Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:21 pm

Badquality, badcentered  Sad

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=ECIJH2004-12-31_103_0301_2.jpg

Badquality, badsoft:

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=HCBLE2004-12-14_273_7362_2.jpg

Appreciate any opinion and tips on possible improvement.

Thanks a lot

j


[Edited 2005-01-06 10:28:10]
 
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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:33 pm

hello j,

to be honest: I have no clue ....

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RE: Request Rejection Advice And Feedback

Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:40 pm

J,


For the first one-

'badcentred' will be due to the aircraft being a little high in the frame. I suspect this was your intention, as you wanted that detail in the bottom of the image, however, a.net can be particular about this.

'Badquality' may be a bit trickier in this case. You've got the aircraft full frame, and the A330 has a narrow cross-section, and it's shot from the rear so you're up against it to pull the detail out. I think there's a little haze in there.

That being said, it's a good image - a good scene - so work at it and you may be able to get it in the DB.


Cheers


James

[Edited 2005-01-06 10:42:54]
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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:43 pm

For the first image crop the same distance from both wingtips to the edge of the picture .
Otherwise they are very nice pics keep the good work up.
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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:53 pm

As for the second one, it does not have the sharpness that a.net expects in a close-up, so I can understand the badsoft. It was an ambitious shot and all credit to you for trying it -- you almost pulled it off. Possibly more sharpening could fix it.

I can't figure out the badquality though. Perhaps a screener would be kind enough to explain, and we'd both learn from it.
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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:13 pm

The first one is a good shot, I tried to to a similar shot and got bad distance.
Crop it a bit more and you might get rid of the bad quality at the same time. the aircraft itself looks good to me.

Fergul  Big thumbs up

2nd on great attempt but does need to be a bit sharper!
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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:55 pm

Screening thousands of shots, most screeners can spot where a problem is on a shot.

Many of the rejections I would reject fall in the "easy rejection" category.
That is... the problem was so obvious, a seasoned uploaded would be able to spot it without a problem. These are usually rejection the first time a screener sees them.

Some of the rejections fall in the "so-so/fence sitting category". These shots are generally commented on by many screeners until a decision is made.

Likewise some rejection reasons are crystal clear....
Bad angle is obvious. Bad motiv is even obvious if you know what to look for.

Bad quality is a hard rejection reason to explain, but after a while it's easy to spot.

The start of the rejection reason is:


The image quality of these photos is low. This may be the result of several
perceived problems happening simultaneously, such as grain, blur, lighting,
contrast or color defects, which would lead us to believe that a fresh scan
(in the case of a non-digital image) or a complete rework starting with the
original camera file (in the case of a digitally taken image)would be necessary,
rather than a simple adjustment to the uploaded file.


Bad quality is simply a rejection applied when there are enough overall appearance issues with the photo.

When one selects a shot for editing and uploading, one should look at the overall quality of the shot. I kick myself everytime the most dramatic shot/best shot of the day, is also the one that no matter how much I edit it, it still has "something" wrong about it.

If it's bad quality, take another look at the original - or the method used to scan or edit.

Regards,

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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:04 pm

Glenn

Thanks for replying. The difficulty I've had with badquality is that, because it does not specify actual reasons why a particular shot doesn't make the grade, I'd be left none the wiser. I've learnt a great deal from other rejection reasons but badquality has only been a source of frustration.

In an ideal world, if there were 3 reasons for screeners to reject a photo they would list them all -- but I know that's easier said than done when there are several thousand photos in the queue.
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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:14 am

Glenn - I agree with Charles above that it is good to hear a screener's perspective on this issue, as I know many of us are left somewhat unclear when we get a bad quality rejection.

Javier - I too can understand the rationale for the rejection of the A330 image - not in the centre of the photo and there is a difference in the distance between wingtips and the left and right edges of the image. But clearly the motive of the photo would not be preserved if you centred the plane and so lost the runway. I like it the way you've done it and so I wonder if this is one of those where one screener would have approved and so let the bad centre issue go, whereas another wouldn't.

As regards the TAME 737 - I think you've done a great job with that image. If it's soft then it's very marginal in my opinion. Also, no doubt it would have looked better in flattering sunlight, but maybe it's just that the quality threshold is getting higher and higher for the database. Could it be improved a bit with the levels slightly altered to make it brighter and some extra colour saturation to offset the somewhat dull lighting? Maybe worth another go as the panning is excellent.

All the best.

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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:42 am

I find the "Bad Quality" rejection the most annoying of all... A week ago i had 10 out of 10 download rejected for bad quality. If it said "Grain" or "Noise" i would have some idea whats wrong. But "Bad Quality" still leaves me baffled most times......

I don't know what rejections other people get but 99.9% of my rejections are bad quality. Never Bad color or bad angle , just alway bad quality !!!  Sad

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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:47 am

I agree with Psych on the recommendations.

I have only received one plain-old "badquality" rejection. I've received two other "badquality" rejections with the additional qualifiers like "badcommon". The rest of my rejections have been for bad cropping or angles.

Not to get too far off-topic, but my most frustrating screening result is when I fix a problem from the first rejection (like badborder) and then it gets kicked out the second time for quality. The perception is that it was OK the first time.

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Psych
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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Fri Jan 07, 2005 4:47 am

I know how that one feels Phil.

I recognise that it is difficult for screeners, as sometimes I guess they go for what they see as the primary fault with a photo, even though there may be more than one. However I, like you, am often lulled into a false sense of security in that if I think I have corrected the fault that the initial screening identified I hope for a positive outcome from the reupload. Then it can feel frustrating if the photo then gets rejected a second time for an unrelated issue.

But I still wouldn't fancy the potential flak that screeners always seem to have coming their way. It seems to be an almost impossible job to make what is essentially a subjective assessment completely objective.

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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:28 am

Thanks a lot for your replies, I appreciate it.

Sulman, Psych - As you both stated the first shot is badcentered on purpose, to show the runway, I see no way of going around that without making it a boring shot.

Psych - I followed your tips, applied some new techniques learned in this thread http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/163335/ and came up with this, which I feel is a real improvement:
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/HCBLE2004-12-14_273_7362_2_2.jpg.

Glenn - Thanks for taking the time to reply, but, maybe because of my bad English, your answer is to me "clear as mud"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Thanks again.

j


 
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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:05 am

Hi All,

I'll take the confusion with the "bad quality" on board. I might discuss this with screener collegues.

Generally speaking, I know that I try to combine as many rejection reasons with bad quality as possible. But this can't always be the case.

For the moment, I would suggest be self critical of any shot rejected bad quality. Ask yourself the question:

"What problems can I find with this edited photo?"
"What problems can I find with the original photo?"

Often it's a case of start again, or try another photo....

Regards,

Glenn Stewart



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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:08 am

Javier - firstly can I say that I can only wish that I could speak/write a foreign language as 'badly' as you do. You express yourself very clearly.

I have had a look at your new version of the 737 shot and do like the result. To my eye it is a clear improvement from the point of view of the overall image. Judging by the amount of blur in the background the shutter speed cannot have been that fast and so a further rejection for blur would be harsh, in my opinion.

Good luck with it - I hope it gets accepted.

All the best.

Paul
 
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RE: Request Rejections Advice And Feedback

Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:45 pm

Thanks again to everybody for your help, the TAME shot just got accepted!  Smile

Regards

j

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