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Baddistance Criteria?

Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:26 am

I'd like to ask screeners to elaborate a little on the "distance" rule. (Input from other uploaders is welcome as well.) My questions are prompted by a string of "baddistance" rejections, but I'll try not to make this a gripe/whine session.
First of all, what does a screener look for to determine compliance for "distance"? Is there a strict requirement, or even a general rule of thumb for the amount of the frame that should filled by the aircraft (i.e., 800 pixels from a width of 1024), or is it a generally subjective matter? (I'm not implying that subjectivity is undesirable here. In fact, I think it would be necessary.)

Secondly, what consideration is given to showing an aircraft's activity rather than just the aircraft? I'll give some specific examples for this one. This (clickable) A-10 shot couldn't be much tighter and still show the bomb impacting alongside the target. It's similar in concept to the logging shot in that a wider view is necessary to see "the whole picture".

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Photo © Markus Herzig

In this CF-18 shot, I felt that the rocket's trail imparted the same sense of path and motion that vortices, contrails, and airshow smoke do and is an integral part of the image.

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Photo © Willem Honders

Finally, I'll add that I can see a clear difference in "distance" criteria between this C-141 shot and Mike's and Juan's sunset images: Additional zoom would have only detracted from their spectacular results, whereas my shot would have benefited from more.

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Photo © Mike "Rotor" Nowak
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Photo © Juan Carlos Guerra Aviation Photography of Mexico

(And I'll note that I'm not claiming aesthetic parity with any of the other photographers' shots here.) Screeners, I hope that any input you provide will save contributors and yourselves time and effort in the future. Thanks for reading this far!
-Mark
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RE: Baddistance Criteria?

Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:05 am

Like with all rejections, it is very difficult to give you exact limits to where a photo is baddistance and where it isn't. It very much depends on the other perceived values of the photo. For instance, if a screener deems that the artistic qualities of a photo is helped by the distance to the aircraft (showing possibly a sunset or clouds or similar), the photo will be accepted. If on the other hand the screener deems the photo less interesting due to the distance to the aircraft, the photo might be rejected. Furthermore, the decision depends on how rare the aircraft pictured is - if the aircraft is rare there's a bigger chance that a normally "baddistance" photo would be accepted.

Like with all rejection reasons, I have setup the basic rules that the screeners should judge a photo by. However, most cases aren't crisp clear and the screener must make a choice for himself whether a border-case photo should be accepted or not.

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Johan
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RE: Baddistance Criteria?

Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:02 am

Johan:
Thanks for the quick response. I realize why the screening process can't be accomplished without subjectivity, but if those basic rules are significantly more detailed than the "Upload FAQ", would you consider making them available somewhere on the site?

Screeners:
I'd still be interested in hearing any of your views "from the trenches". Most of the work I submit is older stuff and I generally try to select unique pictures that I think other people will find interesting, but I know I'm starting off from a quality disadvantage compared to current work.

-Mark
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