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Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:45 am

As you know, the view counter on your photos are only counting distinct views, one from each IP address. Naturally, there's always going to be ways around this but misuse has not been a major problem in the past. Our logs of IP addresses, referrers etc show that it does happen but rarely and we normally just remove such views and disable counting of views from that IP in the future.

A recent detailed revision of the view logs have showed a few cases of photographers trying to increase their view count by using scripts and dynamic IP addresses to artificially increase their views and thereby getting a higher standing on top lists and similar on Airliners.net. Such findings have now forced us to add a new and strict rule:

A photographer caught with artificially increasing the view counter of his photos will risk having all his photos removed from our database. We take this issue very seriously and will not hesitate to take action when we find proof of this behavior in our logs.

This new rule is active as of right now. Any photographers that are currently using any method to artificially increase your view count should stop immediately or risk having your photos removed.

Note that normal use, such as viewing your own photos is not prohibited at all - only excessive use.

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:54 am

well, I defenetely know one photographer who does this .... , I reecntly sent this guy an email asking how come that every photo of him has such a high view ..... , even normal easyjet takeoff hit nearly 1000 views .... , he answered : well cause people like my photos .....

well done A.NET !!!! KICK THOSE A... OUT OF THE DB!!!!!

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:59 am

Nice work Johan, it is nice to see that months of discussion there has been a firm policy put in place. It is pathetic that a few photographers are so desperate for attention that they feel the need to cheat, not only themselves but others as well.
 
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:11 am

Hi all,

Good work Johan, hunt the guilty down and punish them, that stinks and also shows how sad some people are that they would do such a thing.

Cheers

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:13 am

I think one of them has already gone.


Cheers


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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:19 am

Absolutely Great News.

Now we see which pictures are really atracting a lot of people. As mentioned earlier 1000+ hits for a departing easyJet or KLM B737 is strange.

Hopefully we get a clean number of counts now.

In my opinion all the plugging of pictures must be forbidden. Let the visitors decide what pictures are popular. Not somebody with a lot of spare time  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:23 am

James , you may be right you may be wrong  Wink/being sarcastic

but still .... i personally cannot see why its so essential for people to fake this facility , cant we just aim for having the "shot" thats deserves it purley on merit  Smile


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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:29 am

In my opinion all the plugging of pictures must be forbidden. Let the visitors decide what pictures are popular. Not somebody with a lot of spare time

rhaa, that would be the end of life as we know it in Elbonia, if plugging was forbidden !!!

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707, formerly guilty of imfamous plugging  Innocent

Edit : typo

[Edited 2005-01-27 17:32:22]
 
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:29 am

I can't agree more, why would someone bother going to all that trouble to generate a few hundred hits for themselves? What do they gain apart for generating a whole lot of work for the site admin. Get rid of them and let people know who they are so they can't repeat their acts.

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:30 am

That sounds only fair to me. But I suppose the plugs in the forums are still allowed?  Big grin

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:32 am

It may be a good idea to handle it the way pbase does, which is to hide the hits from public view, so only the account owner has that information.

There is still a 'popular' section but you don't see any numbers.


Of course such a system would still be open to exploitation but at least it takes the emphasis away from pure hit-counts.


James

[Edited 2005-01-27 17:33:10]
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:38 am

I can't agree more, why would someone bother going to all that trouble to generate a few hundred hits for themselves

Well, its all about their ego, and we aren't talking a few hundred hits...we are talking about several hundred thousand, if not a million.




[Edited 2005-01-27 17:39:18]
 
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:05 am

Call me naive but I am a little shocked that people would resort to such tactics. Well done Johan, this action is definitely appreciated by this photographer!

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:52 am

I'm just happy to see one of my myaviation.net photos almost reach 50 views.  Big grin

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:53 am

Well, its all about their ego, and we aren't talking a few hundred hits...we are talking about several hundred thousand, if not a million.

Wow! It sounds like some people have a few problems!!! I wonder if they think it's not noticeable when they jump 10,000 hits???

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:58 am

Fake hits! Wow, why didn't I think of that?
 Nuts

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:10 am

Fake hits! Wow, why didn't I think of that?

Because your images get lots of hits without plugging or cheating?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:13 am

Wow, some photographers have a lot of time on their hands...those bastards!  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:13 am

way to go A.net, as you can see at my views i never fake it , lol
 
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:58 am

so if i have my favourite picture as a homepage i should change that for another site??
 
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:46 am

Now when I have a picture that I like that I have uploaded I will normally leave it in its own window for the first say 4-6hours so that periodically I can re-upload the page to see the count. Now when I re-upload the page it won't count my view which I don't care about b/c I'm not really about views but does that create an issue on your end in terms of unfair hits?

Thanks again and if I need not to do this please let me know.

Thanks again  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:09 am

dude, your post doesn't make any sense.

"so that periodically I can re-upload the page to see the count"

"I don't care about b/c I'm not really about views"

LOL, which is it?

And no, it isn't a violation of the rules, you can view your own pictures as often as you want, lol.
 
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:10 am

It is unique views, so if you just keep reloading it won't effect the view count.

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:18 am

I look at them just to see if anyone is interested in my photos but I'm not all hardcore and willing to cheat for numbers. For me if they look at it they look at it if they don't they don't. Getting into a.net alone is good enough for me.

Sorry for confusing you.

Thanks again.

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:25 am

Good thing with which i can only agree.
Although a "clean" count can only be reached when all images are accepted at the same time.
One in the 24/48hour list for 47 and another for 25 is just as much cheating and i am quite sure this is happening a lot more then the ip-cheats.

Forgot something !
Does this mean i have to tell my colleagues not to click my images anymore ?
At work we all go by one server with one ip-address so when i have new work on you might see 50 to 80 clicks which is not done by me !
I can assure you my boss won't like to see me on the internet all day, not even for an hour.

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:41 am

Willem,

How is it cheating? Every user has the chance for their photos to be added at any given time, it is completely random.
 
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:48 am

Willem,

If only one IP is seen by a.net, I think it would only count as one hit. Even so, I don't think the problem is manifest in someone gaining a couple of hundred views, but a few thousand.


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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:52 am

Please don't understand me wrong Clickhappy.
I've no problems with the system as it is but if someone wants a more "clean" count then lets make the count clean.
Which in my view can only be reached by giving everybody the same starting point and the same opportunities.
Don't think this is hard to do as well, just put all accepted images aside and wack the whole load online in one go.


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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:56 am


Willem said: Although a "clean" count can only be reached when all images are accepted at the same time.

Very true Willem. Other solution to this is to have pictures in the list for exactly 24/48 hours and then they disappear from this list. Very easy, fair solution and fair chance for everybody's pics to be viewed, everybody happy.

The #1 of the 48 hours list can be featured on the homepage. And yes, that could mean that during the day the #1 position is taken over. More variation!

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:57 am

If only one IP is seen by a.net, I think it would only count as one hit. Even so, I don't think the problem is manifest in someone gaining a couple of hundred views, but a few thousand.
I am not sure about that James.
Usually the first 2 parts of the ip represent the server and the last 2 parts the machine from which you are working.
So in the case of my company it might look like i am running some kind of ip generator which i am not, don't even know how it works.

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:15 am

I'd assume a cookie is placed on the machine to determine if it's a unique visitor or a returning one.

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:22 am

I've been hitting refresh 1,000's of times after viewing my pics to get those hits up...but darn, it never works. Will stop shooting pics for the next few weeks so I can research this new fake-hits generating code and put it to good use....yeah, gotta do it!

 Smile  Smile

Can't believe someone has the time or even want to do this. Sure, I like to see my pics being viewed 1,000's of times but when you yourself are 999 of them what fun is it?  Confused

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:30 am

I'd assume a cookie is placed on the machine to determine if it's a unique visitor or a returning one.

That would be too easy to cheat with. You just delete the cookie or turn cookies off, and that messes up the whole system.

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:30 am


I'm quite surprised about the entire viewing issue, and the obsession associated with it.

Are there any monetary benefits with getting plenty of hits? Does it look good on a resumé? Will it get me that job with Air Transport World magazine? Bragging rights? Name recognition? Commission? Some prize money involved somewhere  Smile/happy/getting dizzy?

I think not, so why the friggin fixation?




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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:43 am

I don't even care that someoen does that. Why? Because it's so entertaining to see that someone would actually do that, that the humor of it all makes itworth it.

I'd like to thank these people for bringing the stereotypeof our hobby to a brand new socially awkward low.

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:05 am

How is it cheating? Every user has the chance for their photos to be added at any given time, it is completely random.

Not against anybody, but I have a dam bad luck then...

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:23 am

Juan, you need to just look at the facts to understand the issue.

The clock resets at midnight in Sweden, right? Midnight in Sweden is what, 11pm in england, and 12am in Europe? That makes it 6pm on the east coast of the US and 3pm on the west coast (where I am). Most screening takes place in the late afternoon, early evening. Our most active screeners are in Europe, so the majority of pictures get added sometime before the 12am cutoff.

The people that are lucky enough to have their photos screened by US screeners will usually fall on the other side of the cutoff, giving their photos a longer run in the 24-48 section.

I think the screeners in Asia and Aussie/NZ sort of fall in the middle, so they don't count  Smile
 
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:34 am

This certainly is a good thing for Airliners.net. I can't imagine people designing/using scripts just to increase hits on Airliners.net. That's just lame...

AFAIK my ISP uses dynamic IP's, but since it only changes once every couple of months or so I don't think I will be accused of frauding. I just like to check some photos every once in a while, for 95% of them I even don't bother anymore to open the large version.

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:59 am

Well, if creating artificial hits is possible, can some clever type artificially include pictures in the database, and go unnoticed?

Or, can someone hack into the screening process, and screen their own work?

It just seems that anything is possible nowadays.






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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:13 am

Next step is the suppression of "look at this picture closely" comments on pics.
That stuff just crawls under my skin.
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:19 am

lem said: Although a "clean" count can only be reached when all images are accepted at the same time.

Very true Willem."


Not true at all. If we upload a batch of several hundred pics at once and your
photo will show up at page 56 does it have equal chances as photo displayed at page 1? NO.


[Edited 2005-01-28 02:23:57]
 
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:44 am

Name and shame whoever is doing this  Big grin
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:56 am


Name and shame whoever is doing this


And a public apology  Big thumbs up



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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:00 am

I agree with GKirk...Expose the individuals doing this to the rest of the herd and that would be a deterant of sorts.
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:13 pm

Royal:
I know it works like that! And I agree with it, if not I wouldn't upload.
Its just the feeling you get when your top shots get added at that time... "dam what a bad luck I have!" Guess I'm not the only one around!

Thanks anyways for your point.

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:49 pm

"Name and shame whoever is doing this"

I'm guessing that if this were done there would be no UTA pictures left on the A.Net database  Smile
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:19 pm

Ua777222

You are completely out of line. Calling Sam Chui a "view-whore" is beyond unbelievable. I know you're only 13 but you need to learn about respect, and what that means.

It's a small world. Especially within a hobby like ours.
 
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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:46 pm

Clickhappy,

I'm sorry that you feel my comment it out of line. I have suggested it to be deleted.

Answer me this,

Do you feel that it's an unfair advantage to have your name on the search page, which has to be passed by at least 50,000 a day, b/c you uploaded say 12 ok shots compared to that of someone who has uploaded say 1 amazingly rare shot? I just feel that the system is a bit messed up in terms of making it a view race for photographers and that the amount of views = getting your name out.

Thanks again and sorry for the comment. And I'm the latter of the ages which is still not as old as you guys so I guess I've gotta learn.

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:32 pm

UA777222:

Sam is a very good aviation photographer. There's no doubt on that. His skills combined with the opportuneties he has ( LAX ramp access, lots of travelling,... ) his photos ARE spectacular and most times not beatable in terms of quality.
That's why people click on them.
I do so, too. And I check his photos regularly because there's no doubt that he shoots sometimes unique images with access that most of us never get.
Nothing wrong with that I guess?

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RE: Generating Fake Photo Views

Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:53 pm

As a photographer, I consider myself an artist. Ask yourselves this: If you are so opulently concerned with the amount of views your photo gets that you have to design a script to inflate your hit count, then you really should reconsider why you take pictures of airplanes in the first place. A.net isn't a dick-measuring contests, the screeners aren't hear to measure your size, this a place where you can share your work, and the screeners are there to make it the best it possibly can be. For me, this right here is what it's all about:



It doesn't bother me that the majority of the ten views on that picture are from me. Why? Because I enjoy looking at it. I enjoyed taking it, and I enjoyed post-processing it to its completion which is what you see above.

Sure the hits can be cool, and that 'top of yesterday' feels pretty good, I'll admit that.



I'll also admit, that when that picture made 'top of yesterday,' I was flipping out all over my dorm. But I wasnt flipping out because it was viewed most for that given period, I was flipping out because I knew alot of people were going to see it, but more importantly alot of people were going to ENJOY it. Because that's what it's all about, enjoyment.

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