mikedlayer
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Cabin/Flight Deck/In Flight Photography Advice

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:22 am

Hi all,

I was wondering if I could have a bit of advice. I'm taking a flight on 12th Feb up to Manchester from LHR and then back again in the evening, and as some of you may know I just purchased a 300D so not too used to the settings yet.

I was wondering if some of you guys could give me a bit of advice. What sort of settings would you use for cabin shots / out the window shots / flight deck shots? Also going to be visiting the Concorde inside as well, and last time my flight deck shots / cabin shots with the Minolta Dimage Z1 were pretty dark and not really uploadable. Sort of hoping to improve on them now with the 300D so any advice would be really good  Smile

Also for in flight cabin shots, do you guys ask the cabin crew if they allow it first or do you just get up and get on with it?

Thanks,
Mike.
 
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RE: Cabin/Flight Deck/In Flight Photography Advice

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:14 am

Window shots:
Try to be on the side of the airplane with the sun on the other side. Otherwise you'll get lots of window reflections in the images.

Cabin:
Usually the cabin is rather dark so either use the flash or take the image at appropriate settings ( e.g. higher ISO, slower shutter )

Flight Deck:
Again, you should use a fill flash as the panels are rather dark. Be sure not to get reflections in the LCD screens.

Florian
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mikedlayer
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RE: Cabin/Flight Deck/In Flight Photography Advice

Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:54 am

Thanks for the advice Florian, I'll try it out and hopefully it'll go well!

Mike
 
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RE: Cabin/Flight Deck/In Flight Photography Advice

Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:20 am

Cockpit: put your 300D on the headrest of the jumpseat and set a longer exposure..1-2"?? try to make srue u dont' shake the camera when depressing the shutter button.. (if u're lucky enuf to have a tripod on board, then feel free to use that in the cockpit)

Cabin View:
try not to use the flash.. i found that when you use the flash people kinda look at you wondering WTF are u doing??? and like thinkin' that theres somethign suspiciosn and you feel really bad about that..

i suggest a high ISO cuz the 300D is capable of keeping the noise down even at a really high ISO... also, set it to apperture priority AV. to the largest F stop.. most likely 3.5 on the included 18-55mm or 2.8 depending on your lens..
then let the shutter speeed be metered automatcially.. if the shuuter speed is a long exposure, then set the ISO higher to decrease the shutter time so that you cna take it handheld and lean agasint somethign to make sure there is as little blur as possible.

window shot:
keep your hand over your lens.. like covering any gaps between the lens and the window to prevnet any reflections from the light within the cabin...

good luck
tim
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CaptainTim
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RE: Cabin/Flight Deck/In Flight Photography Advice

Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:22 am

oh yeh.. it'd be nice to ask the pilot if you could take some pics first... (they might have to hide somethign from being seen....before you take the pic)

tim
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RE: Cabin/Flight Deck/In Flight Photography Advice

Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:29 pm

I try to keep the F-stop up abit when taking cabin shots, otherwise you loose some of the depth of field in the cabin photo. Around f5.6 is usualy sufficient.
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RE: Cabin/Flight Deck/In Flight Photography Advice

Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:33 pm

For window shots, try to get a flexible rubber lens hood. When you press the lens and the hood against tthe window, that will help reduce reflections.

As for interior shots, try to rest the side of the camera against a wall or something. The cabin can actually be quite dark, causing low shutter speed, and in turn camera shake.

Hope this helps

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RE: Cabin/Flight Deck/In Flight Photography Advice

Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:11 am

Hi there Mike,

Basically all I can say is use a high-ish ISO, try not to use the flash, and also remember to stop down to as low as you can, as BA747-436 says f5.6 for cabin should be just about right.

Since you have the 300D, I would suggest shooting in "Manual" mode to get the correct exposure level. Shoot at f4.0-f5.6 then adjust ISO to 200-800 should be sufficient, then adjust shutter speed as required. (For Cabin shots)

Window shots are really quite easy, I usually stop down to about f7.1-f11 and use exposure compensation if necessary. I will tend to shoot at ISO100-200 because the light you get up there is quite good. Also I would recommend that you try and plan in advance where to sit, and where the light will be best for you!

As for the cockpit. Always always ask if it is okay to take some pictures, I wouldn't want to upset my pilot! Maybe ask one of the cabin crew at the start of the flight if it is okay to come up and have a look once on the ground at your destination. If not as you are leaving the aircraft ask on the way up to the front. As far as settings go, usually I would shoot in "Manual" mode to get the correct exposure. Typically I would aim for f4.0-f8.0. It really does depend on the conditions up there! I would use a bit of flash, but under-expose the flash quite a bit, -1 stop maybe?

Don't be afraid to ask any more questions, there are many people here that want to help out, including myself. One final note, don't be afraid to take masses of pictures on board the plane! I always find I don't take enough, so everytime I fly I will literally fill up a card if I want.

Good luck mate and happy contrails.

Cheers,

Justin  Big thumbs up
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RE: Cabin/Flight Deck/In Flight Photography Advice

Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:23 am

i suggest a high ISO cuz the 300D is capable of keeping the noise down even at a really high ISO

I beg to differ! That was one of the main reasons I sold my 300D.

Took some early evening shots airside at MAN in autumn and they came out too grainy to be able to fix! I was only using ISO400.

If it wasnt for the grain they would have been great shots. Eh well when I can afford a 20D or better I'll try again.


Jamo
 
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RE: Cabin/Flight Deck/In Flight Photography Advice

Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:32 am

really? from my past experiences.. at ISO 800, the noise was pretty darn low.. i dunno if its gonna be lower on the 1Ds Mark II or the D2X but for a budget SLR, i thoguht it was performing pretty well...

"Very low noise levels even at ISO 1600, virtually unnoticeable below this"
-Dpreview

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos300d/page22.asp

thats what they said too.. soo i'm thinking the 300D's high ISO is pretty good at reducing the noise

tim
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