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Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:35 pm

Hi guys, I recently had this shot rejected for 'badmotiv':

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/VHOGE.jpg
Reading through the reasons I'm unable to identify which one applies to this shot.
It was taken from just left of centre with a 10mm lens, which is why the top and bottom of the shot aren't parallel, so I leveled it to the top of the MCP.
Any ideas as to what I can do to the shot to make it acceptable, or shall I bin it?
 
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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 4:40 pm

Looks nice. Maybe it's badmotive because the pilot's face is in the picture?
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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:13 pm

Awesome shot Anthony! The only thing I can see that could possibly have warranted the badmotiv is the captain's face, but it really should have been badpeople instead, then. Maybe try appealing, or determine whether it was indeed the captain's face in which case I dunno if there's anything that could save it.

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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:24 pm

like i said on the other forum, lovely shot but i think if the captain had have been looking forward it'd have made it no problems, it's really the only reason i could think of.
 
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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:32 pm

And it could be that big back of seat that the Captain is sitting in?


Backs of seats kill shots and are too intrusive. With a 10mm lens you could stand right beside the seat and still get all the flight deck in with the result being no back of seat. Remember the aircraft has to be the prime subject not the Captain or the back of seat. It would also be better if the Captain was looking forward and a little further left so that he doesnt obscure the instruments. A close call really and not far off being acceptable.

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PS See how you have the RH seat that is okay, and if you had stood closer the instruments would be bigger in the frame especially with your 10mm lens.
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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:46 pm

if back of seats is that bad then how have so many shots from the flight deck with that obtrusive seat made it into the database? i understand what you mean but it's a bit hypocritical to say that when we can browse the database and find many examples of what you've mentioned not to do.

imho the seat in this shot is far more obtrusive than of the rejected shot, i still think it's due to the captains face.


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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:35 pm

yeh true,
awesome shot and shoul be on if the captain's face wasnt on...but wierd it wasnt bad people!

better luck next time i guess  Big thumbs up

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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:57 am

I must agree that "badpeople" is probably the reason, difficult to go around that. You could appeal though (if you've got the captain's permission to use his image), it is a wonderful shot.

Colin,

I do not agree with your views, seats are not always intrusive, sometimes they will add something to a shot that would be boring otherwise. (It is the case with some of my own favorite cockpit shots  Big grin )

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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:25 am

The seats can't be all that intrusive, after all there's a whole section dedicated to them; it's called cabin views.

The seats are as much a part of the cockpit as they are a part of the cabin. The same goes to heads. On every flight there are people in both. Without the seats and the people, there wouldn't be an Airliners.net.

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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:37 am

How about a new section: "cockpit and cabin shots with people", so those who want to concentrate on just the plane can steer clear?

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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:21 am

Thanks guys. When I uploaded I wrote the Captain's name and noted I had his permission.

Colin, the Captain is the boss so I wasn't about to direct him to improve my shot! He had to be there to fly the plane. Thanks anyway.
 
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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:49 am

but he didn't have to take the starring role, which i think his face seems to do when this photo was taken, if he looked straight ahead i'd think the outcome would've been poisitive.
 
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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:19 am

HAHA!! as the owner of the picture that was mentioned... id have to say that yes the seat is quite intruding (sorry when i took my pic, i had no choice but to use the jumpseat headrest as the tripod soo yes the capt.'s seat was in the way)

but i think in your case, the seat is not that intruding.. its a great pic!! and i think its mainly due to the Capt's face.. what a waste of a shot  Sad

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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:21 am

Thanks for your input guys, although the whole thing is quite inconclusive. None of the things mentioned really falls under 'badmotiv'.

I'll leave this one and try again I guess!
 
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RE: Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.

Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:52 am

how can you say the seat is intrusive....sounds more like your trying to find something wrong with a quality photo. Imo a wrong decission to reject it but what can you do.
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