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Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:07 am

Just a question:
I uploaded a picture and it was accepted last night. N200WN (you can search for it if you want) and I put "1st in the database" in the remarks. It was there when it was accepted. Now that remark "1st in the database" has been removed. It is STILL the only one in the database.
WHY???

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:17 am

Sometimes comments are being changed if the screener / editor thinks they're not helpful / necessary or only to gain cheap hits. Don't know why yours was deleted, though.

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Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:26 am

I was going to post a thread but I will keep it on this one. This has happened to me now twice. One was probably misinformation but the other was NOT.

I uploaded a shot of a Delta B764ER and I noted in the remark that this was one of 3 that are "ER" versions.......and now that was removed after it was added. About a day after it was added. Was that a change submitted by a viewer or did a.net just decide to edit the remark?

I verified that information before I uploaded; I always try to get the latest and most correct info. From 3 different census lists: there are only 3 Delta 767-400 that are "ER": N843MH, N844MH, N845MH. All of the others are Boeing 767-432 domestic config. So why would it be removed????? Is the census list wrong???????????

I wish that when Editors make changes they would notify the original photographer!!!!!!!

bruce

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:09 am

As written in the upload FAQ, we reserve the right to change information as we see fit. If you have any questions, please contact the database editors (editors at airliners dot net).

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:44 am

I will answer both of you:

First Paul....I took out the "first in DB" as we have been instructed to do this by the Chief Editor, I also took out the "still in Boeing reg" comment as this was not true.

And Bruce: your change was made after a correction submission from a Delta employee and further research on my own to verify that ALL DL 764's are ER.
If you would like to know the source of this info I will provide it to you privately.

I can tell you that I will not change a photog's comment unless the info is irrelevant or false. We as Editors are in the business of making sure that submitted info is correct. I hope this answers your questions.

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:50 am

Sorry to be thick but can we 100% clarify this now....

We are not allowed to add the following text.

1st picture on A.Net
New to A.Net
First picture in the Database.

etc etc etc

Just want to clear this up as alot of my aircraft are in this section...  Smile

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:26 am

The 'first in DB' directive smacks me as rather narrow-minded. Sorry Johan.


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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:44 am

one of my comments has been removed before...my photo was of a F9 A319 in ATL and it was the one with the seal on the tail....i had shared this photo before uploading with a buddy of mine who also works/uploads on this site and he said he liked the seal so i put in the remarks section that justin likes seals but he got a little too close to this one and if you look close you can see his head in the seals mouth....now there is no comment on the photo...and i'm going to bet that most of you don't think its funny....
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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:00 am

What is the point in having "1st picture on A.Net", "New to A.Net" and "First picture in the Database" in the remarks field?? Is it some kind of competition? Sorry, I don't get it... Please add some more useful/interesting information or leave remarks empty.  Insane

Many of those comments are even wrong too, as the aircraft might be in the db with a previous reg without the uploader being aware. I have seen plenty of those. You have to know the full history of an aircraft to know whether it is its first appearance in the db.

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:04 am

i put in the remarks section that justin likes seals but he got a little too close to this one and if you look close you can see his head in the seals mouth

If you add anything like "look closer" or something like that, it is sure to get changed. It is interpreted by the screeners as a cheap attempt to get people to open the large version of the picture.

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:07 am

I also took out the "still in Boeing reg" comment as this was not true.

Strange....as of 2/8/05 the aircraft is still registered to Boeing as far as the FAA is concerned:

http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=200wn

What is your source on saying that the information was incorrect?

I've seen quite a few WN birds go for a week or two after delivery and still be registered to Boeing before the change is processed with the FAA...


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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:50 am

"Still in Boeing reg" would imply that it was flying with a Boeing test registration. Sure, it might be listed as still being "owned" by Boeing but N200WN is certainly no Boeing reg. It just might be the FAA database hasn't been updated yet after the transfer or the aircraft is being leased and the technical owner isn't the operating carrier.

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:15 am

Ok so I have seen it over and over again....the FAA is like the D.M.V. of aircraft and they are not very up to date on their info.....has any government ever provided up to date and accurate info...no.

N499WN was delivered to WN on 1/24/05.....that is obviously the last number in that series of reg's so the next series is going to be N2**WN....I don't know why 200 series, but thats what they chose. N200WN was delivered to WN on 1/26/05...the next number will be(I am pretty sure) N201LV then N202WN.

BTW this will be N202WN:

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:26 am

"Still in Boeing reg" would imply that it was flying with a Boeing test registration. Sure, it might be listed as still being "owned" by Boeing but N200WN is certainly no Boeing reg. It just might be the FAA database hasn't been updated yet after the transfer or the aircraft is being leased and the technical owner isn't the operating carrier.

As far as I'm concerned - as long as the FAA's database shows that the registrant is Boeing - the aircraft is still registered to Boeing. You and I both know that N200WN is a Southwest registration, but that particular number, 200WN, is still 'technically' registered with the FAA to Boeing. Southwest is not leasing these birds from Boeing and the registration will be transfered over to WN soon - but as of today that has not happened.


As far as Paul's comment being removed - if Paul actually stated "still in Boeing reg" - in that way - then yes, that should have been removed. The photos of the new 737 without the 'eyebrow' windows could get away with 'still in Boeing reg' as it still is.

If Paul made a mention that the aircraft was so new that the registrant was still listed as Boeing (as of the date the photo was taken) then there shouldn't be a problem with having that in the description. Saying it that way simply shows that the aircraft was very new when the photo was taken.

It is all about how you phrase it....  Smile


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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:31 am

the next number will be(I am pretty sure) N201LV then N202WN

You are correct there, sir. Boeing already has (as of 2 minutes ago) registrations 200WN-226WN linked-up with serial numbers.

227WN-299WN are already reserved with the FAA for Southwest Airlines.

N201 has to be 'LV' because some guy has N201WN for his Mooney.  Smile


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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:06 pm

I took out the "first in DB" as we have been instructed to do this by the Chief Editor

I'll presume that most "citizens of A.net" will by and large attempt to conform to the laws and customs of the community. That becomes more difficult in a case like this when a limit is enacted without informing the public. Why inform the screeners but keep it secret from the contributors? Reverting to cliche, put everyone on the same sheet of music and post the screening guidelines so contributors know, without ambiguity, what the ground rules are. Include a prominent disclaimer that these are merely guidelines and that screeners may deviate from them as they see fit. Modify the guidelines as necessary over time, but announce any changes. I think this would gradually reduce rejections, confusion, and complaints.

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:47 pm

Newark777 wrote:

"If you add anything like "look closer" or something like that, it is sure to get changed."



sigh... Im looking at a picture right now that says that... I guess one was missed.
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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:51 pm

Even the southwest aircraft that is linked above says in the remarks "1st 737 without eyebrow windows" there is a fine line between pointing some thing out and searching for hits.

I noticed that the 737 above was the top view of the day would of gotten that way if he did not put that in the remarks about the eyebrow windows.

I am not putting down the photographer at all just a statement.
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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:54 pm

About the original remarks in my picture. Was it publicly made aware of that we were not to put 1st in the database on any the uploads. WHat else can't we put in the remarks that we were able to put in there before.

And I concur with what Matt said about the reg comment above.

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:56 pm

Re: the Delta 764,

It seems that a.net is correct. The census's that i used all were wrong on this one. That is very, very rare. That was the info i had to go by....but all the 767-432's are "ER" versions. i will email the list-makers for them to update their info. I'll admit, I was wrong. Based on bad information, kind of like finding WMD's in iraq  Yeah sure

but it would still be a nice touch if the editors could shoot off an email to the original photographer notifying him/her of the change. so that we can be on the same page...

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:34 pm

Why not actually change the information? If the a/c is owned by WN but still the FAA thinks that Boeing owns the a/c, make a comment that gets it out and put a note to the photographer that it was changed and that if they have any other issues to correct the information attached to the picture.


Just an idea...

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:17 pm

Is it still acceptable to put remarks about your camera equipment/shot? for example, "Canon 10D RAW+300mm"? Or is that considered a cheap attempt at hits?

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:03 pm

No one has still answered my very simple question.

And to the poster who thought that adding 1st in Database would add extra hits. Thats rubbish , the picture generates the hits. If the picture is a Cessna be it a 1st in database or otherwise , its still a Cessna !!!! And will get limited hits.

The only reason i may add 1st in DB is to let the viewer know its a new aircraft. With regards numbers changing etc etc if you add the c/n number as i do you will see if the aircraft is in the db under another reg.

Why do people always think the worst and asume that putting this is yet another feeble way to get hits. Well maybe its not and its the photog just trying to be helpfull and let the viewers know some info !!!!! Jeeeeeezzz  Sad
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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:44 pm

To make it clear on our instructions as Editors....if you put some form of "1st in DB" and it is seen by an Editor it WILL be removed. As Johan has said we can change your remarks as we see fit.

As for the the WN reg stuff, the FAA website is not the overall authority on keeping US reg's accurate, I try to use at least two different locations to verify info when doing correction or when I see errors.

As for changing your remarks, I sometimes make HUNDREDS of corrections a day of all different types(reg's, ac types, spelling, locations) it would slow down the process if we had to send out emails to everyone who's photo's had changes made. But there are a large number of photog's here that have received emails from me regarding changes being made when I feel it is necessary to contact them. I can only speak for myself here, but I will do my best to notify you when changes are made especially if it involves your comment.

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:49 pm

I honestly do not understand why there is a restriction what can be put in the remark box.

It is aimed at giving the photographer a personnal space to write his/her feelings about the image that the viewers might want to know.

If it gets extra hits, then does it really matter? I can understand the rule about no advertising in the remark box which is fine. But why limit what a photographer has to say about the image???

If i wrote in the remark box "PLEASE OPEN THIS FILE, I WANT HITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" do you really think that it would make more people open it??? To be honest i dont. On a serious note, i dont think comments like that are appropriate, but to have "1st in DB" taken away seems a little silly.

If we are stopping this then why don't we also stop having banners to say "first uploaded"???

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:38 pm

Chris hit it right on the money. It is pretty hypocritical to have banners on the homepage that display first..........on Airliner.net.
 
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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:55 pm

Those banners point out the stuff that lots of people are interested in.

Just look at all the threads on the new TAP livery - that shows that people are interested, so it gets a mention on the front page when the photos that everyone has been waiting for are uploaded.

The first pics of a Cessna for example aren't of interest to lots of people. But if people are interested in the first photos of certain regs/airlines/aircraft/airports/photographers, they are displayed on the front page.
So there is no need for "this is the first.." to be pointed out - a search will show you the first entry in the database of something, and we've got the links on the front page:

New on Airliners.net:

- New registrations
- New airlines / operators
- New aircraft
- New airports
- New photographers

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:58 pm

OK thanks for the confirmation. I will in future only add "1st in DB" in the comments to screener area,just so they are make aware of the fact. I will no longer add it to the text.

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:25 am

Adding to what Tom and Corey said:

Originally there was no "comment to screeners" window on the upload page, and to increase the chances that a photo would be accepted when the quality was slightly less, the possibility existed to add a comment like "first in the database" in the Remarks field. However, since there is the "comment to screeners" window, that info can be typed in that window if you think the screener might be interested to know that.

To continue having it in the Remarks field is superfluous, and it very quickly becomes a boring remark. Every aircraft was at one time "the first in the database" and we are not really looking forward to have that info listed for all those photos. Also, when over time you look back at such a picture after a lot more photos have been added for the same reg, it looks a bit overdone. Don't forget that remarks are not only seen when the photo was added, but also years later. There were e.g. photos that said "Merry Christmas" in the Remarks. A bit strange when you see the photo later in the summer!

And as Tom said, we now have the front page feature "New on Airliners.net" so there really is no reason anymore to put it in the Remarks.

We haven't listed this "rule" in the upload rules, because we don't want to list every little thing there. We don't want photographers to have to study a book before they can even upload a photo! So now and then things are changed in the Remarks field as the editors see fit.

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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:02 am

Then why is a certain aircraft that is on the most viewed of yesterday have 'First picture of this A300 in Etihad Airways colors'

I am not trying to be little the photographer just when does it become acceptable to put 1st picture in the remarks.

In the comment above the user of the site could of just clicked on the new regs link and seen it.

Again please don't take the comment about the above picture personally I just want to get straight what I can and can not put in the remarks.
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RE: Remarks Getting Changed

Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:45 am

BTW this will be N202WN:

Looks like 201LV was in the paint shot already when we first saw the photo of what will become 202WN...


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