Pbb152
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Advice On Saving Pics

Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:44 pm

Hello all,

I just had my first few photos accepted here on a.net in the last couple of days, but I'm not extremely happy about the quality of these pics as opposed to how they look on my hard drive. It just seems as though their is a lot of grain in the pics now that was not their before. I have saved them all as jpeg files at level 12. Here is one example:


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I know that saving as jpeg files can cause pics to lose compression each time you open them, edit them, etc. So basically, since I am quite new to this photo editing and saving thing, I just would like some advice on how to save and submit my photos in order to not lose any quality. I have also tried to save as tiff files, but the pics looked like crap when I did so. Was I not saving them right, or is this how they are supposed to look when saved as tiff files? Also how do you convert a tiff file to jpeg when submitting to a.net?

I would really like to resubmit my pics with a little better quality, but I need to know exactly how to go about it first. Like I said, I'm quite new to all of this so please be patient with me and thanks in advance for any help!

Pete
 
ua777222
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RE: Advice On Saving Pics

Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:56 pm

Why not buy an external harddrive? If you do then you can save it under any format allowing the picture to keep its original quality. The way that I do it is after I take all my shots and delete the ones that I don't like I will label the overall chip for the date and location. From there I just throw it into my external harddrive. Size has not and probably will not be an issue so that if I ever need to get back to the original shot just click on my harddrive and pull it up. I would say pay $200 MAX. Now you might already have one and I'm just not getting your question.

Nice pictures Pete.

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crank
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RE: Advice On Saving Pics

Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:16 pm

I have found that resizing and saving pics within the "Save for web" function in PS7 gives MUCH better results. What I do is that I open the original, level and crop if needed, hit Alt+Ctrl+Shift+S, resize to 1024x6xx, save at max jpeg quality, and reopen the file if other adjustments need to be made. It works a lot better than just resizing using Image size and Save As...
 
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RE: Advice On Saving Pics

Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:23 pm

What I do is similar to what UA777222 does. After I load the pictures from my camera, the files get stored away and don't get touched again. Then, if I want to edit a picture, I make a copy of that file and go from there, so I will always have the original to work with. If I have to save a partially edited picture, I will save it as a TIFF, and I will not have any problems. I only save as a JPEG after I am completely finished with the picture.

Harry
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Pbb152
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RE: Advice On Saving Pics

Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:38 pm

The thing is, I only save to hard drive after the picture is completely edited to where I like it. All the originals are saved on CD's. I don't know if that in and of itself can cause an image to lose quality. But like I said, the finished, fully edited pics that I have saved on my hard drive have less noise/grain and just seem a bit sharper than what is showing up on this site. That is what I don't understand.

Crank,

You save at 1024x6xx, but don't all pics submitted here need to be at least 1024x768? Do you just resize before you submit or am I mistaken about the size requirement?

Anyway, thanks for the help guys and any and all tips are appreciated. This gets pretty addicting and I'm ready for my next trip to the airport.


Pete
 
crank
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RE: Advice On Saving Pics

Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:23 pm

Although the upload page says 1024x768, if you resize a pic (uncropped) taken with a Canon dSLR which is the case for me it will come to 1024x683, so if the pic is full frame it would be impossible for a lot of people to upload at 1024x768.

Hope this helps.
 
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RE: Advice On Saving Pics

Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:37 am

Pbb152 ,

Also resize your photos in stages. For example resize to 2000 pixels wide, then 1600, then 1300 and finally 1024 pixels wide. This way you'll notice there's alot less jagged edges when it comes to sharpening.

Just a small hint  Smile

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RE: Advice On Saving Pics

Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:48 pm

Hey Pete

Congrats on your first shots up on airliners.. You seem to be following the same type of routine I use when editing so I am not to sure why the images look different once uploaded than the ones once you are finished editing. I actually think the quality is good bro!! I dig that frontier shot. And whenever the next time you are heading up to IAH, shoot me an e-mail and I can try and join you.. Last time we shot together was last summer (I think) when our 300D's were 'out of the box' new.

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RE: Advice On Saving Pics

Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:54 pm

To answer Pete's original question, I remember reading in an old thread that a.net applies its own compression system to uploaded photos. That would explain why they don't look the same as the ones on your hard drive.
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RE: Advice On Saving Pics

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:22 am

Not sure why you are archiving the version downloaded from airliners.net when you have the originals and the online version is stored for you.

I keep two iterations in my folder, one identical to the one submitted as to crop and color correction and USM etc, but full size (2560x1920) and the other as actually submitted (1024x768 e.g.) When I sell a picture I forward the full size version.

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RE: Advice On Saving Pics

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:45 am

Ok
Everybody has a different way of post processing here but I thought it was better to do all you usm levels etc after you have level/rotation and crop to size. i.e. 1024x683px.


Quoting SlamClick (reply 9):
I keep two iterations in my folder, one identical to the one submitted as to crop and color correction and USM etc, but full size (2560x1920) and the other as actually submitted (1024x768 e.g.) When I sell a picture I forward the full size version.


SlamClick are you saying that you do all your processing with the full image, save it then crop to the a.net size save that and then submitt.

I have started shooting raw recently and from that raw image I level crop to size and then post process and save that under a different name and jpeg format. I will always still have the original raw image there if ever I need to do a reload because of a rejection for whatever reason.

Fergul  Big thumbs up

PS I keep all my files on the hard drive but back up once a week onto a dvd+rw disc, 4.7G.Reason is because the dvd can be slow especially when it get near full as it needs to read the entire disc before carring on.
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Pbb152
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RE: Advice On Saving Pics

Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:09 am

Nate,

Good to hear from you. I'm thinking about heading out to IAH today to catch PIA as I still don't have a submittable (is that a word?) pic of their 777's. Looks like the weather may be typically unpredictable today though. I'll shoot you an email if I go.

SlamClick,

The versions stored on my hard drive are not the a.net versions, but the fully edited version of my originals.

Dale,

Thanks for the tip. I'll have to give it a try.


Pete

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