DLKAPA
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What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:54 pm

Hisham Atallah, his last photos in the database are from August of last year, and I don't think he's posted since then either? Did he just drop off the face of the earth?
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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:09 pm

Good question Eric... where the hell is he?

His shots were awesome!

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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:38 am

...Rumor around Denver was that his picture was in every airport cop car...
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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting DLKAPA (reply 2):
his last photos in the database are from August of last year


The photo is from August, but it was uploaded just 17 days ago...

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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:27 am

Anyone care to expand as to whom this person is and why he/she wouldn't be allowed to take pictures?

Thanks again,

Matt
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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:40 am

Hisham, not to blame Hisham, was a DEN spotter who did the DEN cops didn't care for. Last Sept when Ryan Richter and I were up along the 16's, the officer mentioned that if Hisham hadn't of taken so many liberties, again this is what the officer told me, spotting wouldn't be such a hassle at DEN. I don't remember the exact wording of what the officer said, but this is his opinion and not mine.

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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:08 pm

In a personal message, he told me that he has given up spotting in the US because of his nationality which was causing problems for him.

As far as I know, he is currently working hard on his PhD degree. Good luck to him. I hope he visits Beirut again and produces more stunning shots like this.

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I'm sure he will respond soon to this thread as well.

All the best to everyone.

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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:23 pm

It surely is a sad day when your nationality is the cause of what you can do and where you do it.
We have to move on in this world and these examples are not helping
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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:08 pm

I agree,

I am about to go look at all of his photos. I am sick of these hassles we go through at airports. I hope he finds his way back to this site as well as the US.
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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:54 pm

I hope to see some more pics from him soon, his Beirut series was gorgeous!

And, yes, it is sad to become a terrorist just because you are near an airport holding a camera. (I've being interrogated twice... and counting, I guess)

Regards and all the best for Hisham.

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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:52 pm

Photographing airliners and nature (or anything different than planes) are totally different things. If something goes slightly wrong with a plane, it may result in so many casulties and cost lives. That is why there will be security concerns when we walk around airports carrying bags and equipment. We must be aware of this and expect to be asked questions. I don't see much wrong with it myself. I've been asked questions a few times and I have respected the security officials words, they are doing their job to keep things safe. When we fly, we ourselves also expect everything to be safe around the plane and the airport as well. So no big deal.

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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:35 am

OD720
Point taken but asking questions and being interrogated to the point where you drop everything and just leave is a different story.
Surely security personnel can see the difference between someone with a camera and someone who is up to no good .
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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:23 am

The problem with Hisham and the Denver Airport PD had nothing to do with his nationality. Hisham was one of those Don't-Tell-Me-Aviation-Photography-Is-Illegal kind of guys. He frequently went into areas and visited locations that the Denver Airport PD and Airport Operations repeatedly told us they didn't want photographers in. He went in those areas anyway. That is probably a large reason why we have signs up around Denver Int'l about no tresspassing, no stopping/standing, and etc. So don't play the race card with him. It's his own damn fault the Denver Airport PD was "out to get him".

I met Hisham only on one occasion while out at runway 7 by Conoco. All he talked about during our short visit was how no one is going to tell him where and where he can't shoot photos and how everyone's rights are being trampled on because aviation photography is being restricted across the United States. His attitude didn't impress me and I immediately labeled him in my mind as being "bad" for this hobby.

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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting Brick (reply 12):
Hisham was one of those Don't-Tell-Me-Aviation-Photography-Is-Illegal kind of guys.


Aviation photography isn't illegal. The guy may have been outspoken and aggressive in his opinions, but talk is cheap. I think it's highly unlikely that one Middle Eastern lad's spirited attitude is the reason that Denver is so anti-photographer at the moment. Frankly, I don't think most American airport authorities need much of an excuse, if the stories on this board is anything to go by.


Cheers


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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:29 am

Mark,

I have to disagree with you on this one. I think he is right when he says our rights are being trampled. Many times I have been told by every airport employee from the top to the guy that picks up the garbage that picture taking is against the law. I am sick of it! If you have to approach me to see I am not a terrorist fine, but then leave me alone! I have a camera not a rocket launcher!

I looked at Hisham's pics, he is a true pro! They are awesome. Hope he comes back. He is not bad for this hobby he is a hero! Someone who fights for our rights here and enables us to be able to go down to the airport and enjoy the hobby we love!
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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:41 am

Quoting Sulman (reply 13):
The guy may have been outspoken and aggressive in his opinions, but talk is cheap.


When dealing with the police, attitude is everything.
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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:15 am

Quoting Sulman (reply 13):

Aviation photography isn't illegal. The guy may have been outspoken and aggressive in his opinions, but talk is cheap. I think it's highly unlikely that one Middle Eastern lad's spirited attitude is the reason that Denver is so anti-photographer at the moment. Frankly, I don't think most American airport authorities need much of an excuse, if the stories on this board is anything to go by.


That isn't what Mark is talking about, I have never heard anyone at Denver tell me photography was illegal. That is not the issue, the issue is what position makes sense to take with the authorities. Like it or not, in Denver, the land the airport is on is private land, and they can tell us to get off if they think they need to. That's why it makes no sense to take the attitude of "Our rights are being trampled" up front with the police. Polite compliance, no matter how unreasonable the decisions makes much more sense.
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RE: What The Heck Happened To Hisham?

Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:27 pm

Mark is totally 100% correct in saying that Hisham was going where he shouldn't have been. Kyle, remember that day we were out on the 16s (Me, You, Vitaly, Ryan, and Jeff), and Romero told us That they were having problems with "that arab guy, hisham, he keeps going where he shouldn't be, out on 8."

Makes you wonder if the brilliant photos are really worth the pixels they fill...
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