AA777
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D70 Settings...

Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:37 am

Ok. So I just got a Nikon D70 with a Nikkor 300mm lens! Which I am Soooo excited about  Smile. BUT, I need to know if you guys tend to set the camera yourself, or if you kinda just put it on Auto...or in "action" mode... I ask because I dont want to waste time finding out what works well. If you guys have a standard setting that you use, please enlighten me  Smile. Assume its for regular sunny weather.... What image size do you use? What quality level? etc etc....

Thanks!  bouncy  hyper  bouncy  hyper  bouncy  hyper 

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RE: D70 Settings...

Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:23 am

oooh they wont be happy about that question, hold on to your underwear!
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RE: D70 Settings...

Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:55 am

So instead of wasting your own time you wanna waste ours ?  butthead 

Believe me mate with this attitude you won't get much accepted here.
Good photography does not come that easily, you have to work..... hard.
I am not trying to discourage you but i would advise you to sell the D70 now it still holds some value and start shooting in your local park with something like a Okinoki instandmatic......... or something similar. Big grin

oh.... and i am not interested in his underwear AA777  eyepopping 

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RE: D70 Settings...

Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:01 am

There's no shortcuts, no easy route. Your next purchase needs to be a photography basics book which covers SLR's. Photography is not 'hard' academically speaking, but you do need to put in the hours or else you're going to experience a great deal of frustration and irritation.

Cheers

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RE: D70 Settings...

Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:29 am

lol... Aviopic, I am willing to put in as much time as I can... however I dont think asking for advice is such a bad idea. You all have got the wrong idea.... If you have suggestions that are valuable, then I'll take them. I dont think that's too much to ask. Telling me to sell my camera is not one that I need, nor that I want.

-AA777

[Edited 2005-03-05 21:31:15]
 
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Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:34 am

no no were not trying to put you off. its just that after seeing in the past posts about 'ok ive bought a DSLR, wheres the on button' they dont usualy fair very well. personaly i had months of personal pratice but that was from scratch i didnt know what a shutter speed was when i got my camera so i wouldnt say send it back, but it`ll just take a very long time to learn, and extreme frustration when you see a briliant plane, take a photo and its shite.. so yeah, be prepared for disapointments untill you master it, took me about 3 months from getting my camera to getting my first photo on here

good luck

Gary =)
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RE: D70 Settings...

Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:08 am

AA777 as Gary already said nobody it trying to put you off but your post did not show a lot of motivation so you got an unmotivated answer.
But if you want to have a bit more info, forget about all the pre-programmed modes on your D70 and start working in one of the manual modes.
You will quickly find out that yesterday was different then today which in turn will be different then tomorrow.
In other words, there is no easy mode and it will require a lot of trial and error to get it right in all the different conditions.
About size: the biggest and for uploads check some images from the database.
Quality: the best
As Sulman suggested buy yourself a good book because you really need to understand the basics otherwise it will be a waste of your time.
We all meant well, really.

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RE: D70 Settings...

Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:10 am

AA777, you just keep plugging away with your D70. Its a fantastic peice of kit and worth everypenny. Start on P and practice, practice. Play with A & S, and be prepared for some really weird, crap pictures, but it will be worth it when you get one on this site. And start using RAW from the beginning. Invest in a good 1Gb or more CF card too.

The other thing you will need is a good Processing programme. I use Photoshop Elements 3 (I can't afford the full monty) but that is also worth every penny, but again, be prepared to fail a bit before you get a good pic or ten.

Anyway, thats my bit, over to the "experts" (ex- as in has-been, spert as in drip under pressure) Big grin

Good shooting

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RE: D70 Settings...

Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:00 am

I would recommend that you forget the "Auto" feature (otherwise you may as well just get a "point and shoot" compact instead) and start experimenting with the Manual mode. That way, yes you'll make mistakes (guaranteed), but you'll learn a hell of a lot faster as well. And read the manual too.


Good luck!
PS, you have an IM.

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Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:42 am

AA777,

Never mind these guys here and their attitudes. I am a fellow D70 owner. If you are looking for good shots in sunny conditions use S (Shutter Priority) or A (Aperture Priority) I shot at LAS today and used S. This lets you chose the shutter speed and the camera automatically chooses the best Aperture for the photo. Also be aware of the white balance, set if for sunny or cloudy depending on the conditions. I used my 80-200 lens today SO a shutter speed of 400 was fine. Read the book that came with the D70 and a book on SLR would be good too. Also just keep snapping pics. Trial and error is a great way to improve your shots. If you need any more help just ask me here I will be more than happy to help you.
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RE: D70 Settings...

Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:36 pm

NIK,

Thanks for the tips. I do know what all the camera stuff means, as I've taken photography courses, but with film cameras only. I will definitley try the S and A modes, but to me S sounds like it would be more important cuz obviously a plane is moving very quickly, and...we have to catch it and get as crisp a photo as possible...if the apeture adjusts for that then it sounds like a good mode to use.... Thanks a lot for the advice  Smile

-AA777
 
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Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:23 pm

AA777,
To begin with, I hope you have at least a 1GB card, because you'll need it. If you have Adobe Photoshop or Nikon Capture, always shoot color mode II (AdobeRGB in the custom settings menu) and always shoot in RAW. If you don't have either of those programs shoot in JPEG (Large & Fine) and color mode IIIa (sRGB). Never settle for less than the best. If you're familiar with shooting in Shutter Priority (S) or Aperture Priority (A) knock yourself out or learn about them, otherwise stick to Program (P).

Back to the AdobeRGB color space; this is good for editing the photo in Adobe Photoshop or Nikon Capture, most other programs don't work in this color space. When you're done post processing and you want to print or publish to the web, convert to sRGB using Image>Mode>Convert to Profile. That's about all I can say right now. Enjoy your D70.

-Benjamin

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RE: D70 Settings...

Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:02 pm

AA777,

No problem, it's my pleasure.  biggrin 

Digital SLRs are awesome. You will get the hang of it. I set my ISO at 200 and use S mode with a shutter speed of 400 with my tele and I get good results. I took this pic of SCY flight 101 landing at IFP with these settings.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/905683/Fixed_DSC_0017.jpg

Keep going to the airport and snapping away!
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RE: D70 Settings...

Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:08 pm

AA777
A very important tip never change your lenses in a dusty environment and don't try to clean the inside of the mirror or the rough glass that reflects the picture into the view finder.
I got some nice Marks that i always look at through the view finder now that i done that.
I was also a new Dslr user and i was so frustrated when i was learning about my D70 because i had so many issues with the camera.
At the end i found out that most of my problems actually came from the 70-300 mm G lens i had it was a faulty lens as when i got a new lens the problems where all gone.
Still i only have 1 picture with the d70 in the DB the other 3 i shot with my Olympus.
Good luck and all the best for the future any help i can assist with don't hesitate to ask we are all here to help each other.
I know i got so much help from some great guys on here.
Thank you too all they know who they are. Smile
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RE: D70 Settings...

Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:24 am

Just as NIKV69 said, leave your ISO set to 200, not automatic or anything higher unless you ABSOLUTELY require it. Just take a lot of pictures and play with the settings to learn. Also, you will eventually need to clean your CCD because it will get dust on it, no matter how careful you are. You can try blowing it out (which never worked for me), you can send it in but that will probably cost some, or you can do what I do now and buy the "Copperhill SensorSwipe". That's probably the best way to clean your CCD, altho it can be dangerous if you don't watch what you're doing. Good luck & have fun.
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RE: D70 Settings...

Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:44 am

Quoting AA777 (reply 10):
to me S sounds like it would be more important cuz obviously a plane is moving very quickly, and...we have to catch it and get as crisp a photo as possible...if the apeture adjusts for that then it sounds like a good mode to use....


Not what I would recommend. The 300mm lens you use, which one is that? Assuming that it is a consumer lens, you will want to stop it down to at least f/8 to get reasonably sharp pictures. Granted, your shutterspeed will drop, but if the shutter gets too low at f/8, than you really shouldn't be shooting anyway, because the light will most likely suck.

Also, it is better to stop down your lens and bump the ISO than to open up your lens at 100 ISO.

If you have a pro lens, you might want to consider stopping down as well. You won't need to in order to get sharpness out of your lens, but a larger DOF (which is attained by stopping down the lens) will ensure that everything is in focus, instead of just the nose or the tail etc.

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RE: D70 Settings...

Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:32 am

I'd agree with Wietse's statement that Aperture priority is much more important than Shutter priority mode. Start with a fixed aperture in the range of f/8-f/11 on a normal, sunny day. I typically shoot f/8 almost all of the time. A larger depth of field is important for making sure that the entire plane is "in focus". Otherwise, as Wietse said, you might have situations -- such as where the plane is coming at you from an angle -- where the nose or the tail is out of focus but the rest of the plane is in focus, or vice versa. Shutter speed won't change that. If, as you say, you've taken photography courses, this concept should make sense.

If you don't understand, try the following. If your camera has a depth of field preview button (my D100 does), try using it at each of the different aperture settings to see what the difference would be. Just point your camera at something like a tree with some buildings in the background, and then press the DOF preview...it doesn't take a picture, but as long as you hold the button it stops the lens down to the selected aperture. As you get to smaller and smaller apertures (such as going from f/4 to f/22) you'll see that the background gets less and less blurred (i.e., more depth of field). Same concept for planes...only the "background" is the part of the plane that is not being focused on by your lens (i.e., the tail vs. the nose vs. the body). It confused me when I first started...I surely thought that Shutter priority was the way to go...but then once I started learning and experimenting with my camera, this all started to make sense. I may not have explained this perfectly, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I misspoke. I hope this is somewhat helpful.

Now get out and practice.

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RE: D70 Settings...

Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:46 am

Quoting NIKV69 (reply 9):
"Also be aware of the white balance."


If he does shoot RAW, this isn't a big deal. Leave it on auto and sort it out later in editing. When I was shooting jpegs, white balance presets could misbehave rather alot, and it's tricky to put right.


Cheers


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RE: D70 Settings...

Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:24 am

AA777 how's it going?  Smile

There is an unofficial Nikon website that is devoted to Nikon cameras, and has forums. The link is www.nikonians.org
I belong to the forums (and post mostly in the D70 forum, as that is the camera I have).

Admins, if that is out of order to post said link, feel free to remove it...
 
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RE: D70 Settings...

Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:20 am

When it comes to cleaning the sensor the D70 there is only way to do it. The manual tells you how. First you need a good blower. DO NOT USE compressed air in the can! It tells you how to lock open the mirror and how to hold the body upside down and blow WITHOUT touching the sensor which you should never do. This should remove any dust from the CCD.
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Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:50 am

AA777

Experiment a little using the S setting and choose a slow shutter speed with prop aircraft to give a sense of action.


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And some really slow shutter speeds.


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I use both Aperture and Shutter settings depending on what I want the outcome to be. Practice practice until you get the results you are after.

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RE: D70 Settings...

Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:20 am

Thanks alot guys!

I've written down alot of this advice for later reference. I went to DCA today and took many, many, many pictures. Lots of them turned out great. However, one problem I am encountering is that my photos are too large to be uploaded into the DB, even if I use medium size.... like 2200 X whatever.... How can I use raw format and not have it be too big? This is my biggest worry, and what i have yet to figure out. Also, what are your experiences with tripods? I know they create lots of extra stability, but it hinders being able to move as fast as with when shooting hand-held. What do you all do? Mixture of both? Or just get used to shooting with a tripod?

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RE: D70 Settings...

Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:55 pm

You can shoot as large as you like and resize it later to anything you want .
File size out of the camera shouldn't be a concern for you.
You can always play around with that later
Shoot as large as possible
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RE: D70 Settings...

Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:26 pm

AA777,

Always shoot in Raw mode. Yes the files are huge but just like JumboJim747 said you can always edit later and do whatever you want to the file.

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RE: D70 Settings...

Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:10 pm

not sure how many people use a tripod for low light shooting... only used it for my beloved night shots.. wonderful invention i like my night shots much more than my normal daylight ones. just occured you may be thinking of sporting events where the photographers use pods even in sun but thats just because they couldnt hold a sodding big lens up for 90 minutes, monopod gives much more flexability than a tripod
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RE: D70 Settings...

Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:18 am

When you get a little more advanced with the operation of your camera you might look into custom tone curves...pretty neat stuff.
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RE: D70 Settings...

Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:59 am

I have the D70 too and have shot with RAW. Is it true that you can only view the "RAW" files with the Nikon software? I noticed that I couldn't view them when I exported some of the files to my regular photo file on my hard drive.

On a side note, what metering do all of you use? I believe I have had to do +.5 or +.7 to get an accurate exposure.

Thanks,

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RE: D70 Settings...

Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:29 am

I take pics in RAW as well. Apart from Nikon Capture, there is also Irfan View, a free download you can get which can read and open NEF RAW files. I can't remember the URL, but I daresay it can be found by typing the words Irfan View into Google or another search site.
 
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Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:17 am

In WinXP you should be able to view the NEF's in thumbnail view. If not, you need to download the WinXP SP2 batch to correct this.

To view the RAW files, you can download (free) Nikonview 6.22 (or whatever ver. it is now). If you have Photoshop CS you can download the free Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) plugin to view/open NEF files in PSCS. Or, you can download Pixmantec's Free (for now) RawShooter Essentials 2005 at:

http://esd.element5.com/product.html...=1¤cies=EUR,all&noquickbuy=1

Of course, Nikon Capture would work as well. As mentioned above, there are other progams like Infran View.

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RE: D70 Settings...

Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:51 am

Thanks Wanderer and Mike,

I will have to try it out sometime soon.

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RE: D70 Settings...

Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:16 am

Quoting Midway DC9-10 (Reply 26):
Is it true that you can only view the "RAW" files with the Nikon software?


You can also view and edit in RAW mode in PS Elements 3.

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Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:10 pm

Quoting AA777 (Reply 21):


Taking a picture is only 40% of the job. After taking a picture you have to go home and edit it on your computer with software like Photoshop. With Photoshop you are able to process the digital picture. Level the horizon, remove any dustspots, adjust levels or adjust colors. Then you can also resize the picture to the desired size.

It is bit naive to think that a picture straight out the camera can be added to a.net. But now you know.

Do a bit of searching on the internet and visit a couple of digital photography forums. At this moment in your photography career you need information, much information.

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RE: D70 Settings...

Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:45 pm

I have been taking digital pictures since August 2004, and it is a steep learning curve. Like Erwin says, taking the picture is only part of the process - probably the easiest part but it's with the post-processing that the real work comes in. I admit I haven't quite got the hang of it yet, myself and it is possible to bugger up an otherwise good photo, but the beauty of digital is that you can scrap it, re-open the original and begin again.

I am now using a digital SLR (D70) and post processing is even more important because you do not get the level of in-camera processing with a DSLR that you get with a digital compact, especially when shooting RAW images.

Invest in a good book about digital processing, or there are magazines around which cater for the subject quite well. I don't know about the US, Australia, Asia or continental Europe, but here in the UK, we have magazines such as Digital Photo and Practical Photography which are a mine of useful information.

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